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Uranus-Pluto, X-Events, Trump, the Real Economy – Facebook Live

In July, I started weekly Facebook Live Q&A video sessions, which are also posted on YouTube.  In case you missed them, they’ll be posted on my blog over the next few days.

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Uranus-Pluto, X-Events, Trump, the Real Economy | July 18, 2017


[Webinar] Global Outlook 2017 based on the Planetary Cyclic Index and Leading Mundane Astrology Indicators

With all the highly improbable, implausible, unprecedented “how could that have happened” events that have transpired thus far on the world stage in 2016, you can be assured that 2017 will be no different — actually, there will be even more topsy-turvy geopolitical events as the great unraveling continues to accelerate and intensify.

If you think 2017 is going to be the same but only slightly worse, think again!

I invite you to listen to my recent webinar, Global Outlook 2017 based on the Planetary Cyclic Index and Leading Mundane Astrology Indicators to get a first look at what is in store for next year for the U.S., the top power countries, and on the world stage.  The webinar was recorded live on January 1, 2017.

In the webinar, I covered:

  • First Term of the Next U.S. President
  • What is the Planetary Cyclic Index
  • Assessment of the Global Ambient
  • Horoscope of the Next U.S. Administration
  • Significant Eclipses 2017-2020
  • Ingress Charts – most significant ingress charts for China, US, Europe, Russia
  • Outer Planetary Alignments to the Geodetic World Map
  • Astro*Carto*Graphy Charts and Geodetic Maps for Significant Mundane Events
  • Review the Impact to Financial 1st Trade Index Horoscopes
  • Blackbox Forecast for Top 10 Major Power Countries
  • Trouble Zones – 5 Biggest Time Bombs that the World Will Have to Deal With
  • and more.

It is imperative to be aware of what is taking place in the world, for these events will impact you, your nation’s economy, your finances, your community, and the decisions you may need to make since the economic sands can shift dramatically with a single decision by the government or major financial institution as we saw in 2008.

The webinar recording is now available.

While my research is based in astrology, knowledge of astrology is not required to benefit from this presentation. Invite your astrologer and non-astrologer friends alike.

Be aware of what is around the corner so you can make informed choices to help yourself, your family, and others.

Presidential Election Predictions on “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny 2016 (PART 2)

Continued from Part 1
Transcribed from “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny.  Guest: William Stickevers (Airdate: October 6, 2016)
Blackbox Career Graph for Donald Trump, August to November 2016

William Stickevers: Although the Blackbox forecast shows Trump having the edge going forward, I do think he needs to be [more] “Trumpzilla” the second time around he debates Hillary.  He really needs to be the guy he was when he defeated Cruz badly in the [former] debates.

The Blackbox forecast model is a system that can’t be modified, based on my or anyone else’s opinion.  It’s showing that Trump gains traction and as of late he has been pulling ahead.  He evened up [the race] by the 10th of September, and he will continue to gain traction.  It’s a slow but steady climb, but  he peaks the Sunday before Election Day, and then he drops slightly.

Blackbox Career Graph for Hillary Clinton (8:02am), August to November 2016

However,  he’s way up there [and ahead of Hillary] if you compare the graphs to each other.  As you  can see, the closer we get into late October everything supports Trump.  So Trump’s support levels in terms of the personal astrological trends, the mundane astrological trends, the secular political trends, and the changing demographic trends are improving.  And the Blackbox forecast also implies pulling in other other mundane indicators that we’re going to see a record-breaking huge turnout this time.  And the mainstream media and  everyone else is talking about black voter turnout, and the minority voter turnout . But  let me tell you something else, white voters haven’t turned out in large numbers for a candidate since Ronald Reagan [back in 1980 and 1984] who won on the two greatest landslides of all time.  And that’s when the American economy was down in the dumps, as it is again today.  So I’m foreseeing a turnout as big or bigger than Reagan’s 1980 turnout  based all the mundane portents, including the Blackbox forecasting models, while most astrologers and everyone else in the mainstream media continue to  just underplay it,  saying essentially, “Oh well if there’s a big white turnout they’re going to go for Hillary.”  Nope.  No no no no. They’re going to turn out and for Trump.

There’s another graph on the Bernie voters in which they did a very extensive 6-day polling in many of the key battleground states on Bernie Sanders voters.  And I’m going to tell you something, and I posted this earlier today on Facebook —  you’ll be shocked — and  what it’s showing is that like 15-18% of voters in Nevada, in Colorado, in many of those key battleground states are voting for Trump at this point. Now, Mark,  I know you followed Bernie’s campaign closely,  and I know a lot of astrologers did, as we once had that discussion on what the Bernie voters are going to do come the General Election.  So this is some of the evidence coming in.


For Florida, 18 percent of the Bernie voters — 18 percent are going to go for Trump!   And when they did these polls, these were people who were certain of who they are going to vote for, stating that they were 82 percent certain they were not going to change their mind. Fifteen percent of Bernie voters in Nevada are going to vote for Trump.  Ten percent of Bernie voters are going to vote for Trump in Rhode Island.  And seven percent of Arizona voters are going to vote for Trump.  Keep in mind these are people who not only supported Bernie but actually went out and voted for him.

USC Dornsife LA Times Presidential Election Poll

Now, the kickback or the argument would be “Well, that’s less than 20 percent. Right?” But here’s the point: Trump right now is tied or slightly ahead in those states.  He is tied in Florida, and Nevada, and slightly ahead in Arizona.  And here’s the thing — Hillary is going to need every vote she can get.  Every “Bernie” one.  In fact, looking at this data Donald Trump is doing better than Jill Stein and Gary Johnson combined.

This supports my astrological theory that the Uranus-Pluto populist trend for emancipating and empowering the electorate [that Bernie also represented as well], and using whatever means necessary to do so is still alive and thriving in this campaign

So the question is, what does this data support?  This supports my
astrological theory that the Uranus-Pluto populist trend for emancipating and empowering the electorate [that Bernie also represented as well], and using whatever means necessary to do so is still alive and thriving in this campaign.  And even that disenfranchised group who knew that their candidate should’ve gotten the nomination is going to have its day at the polls.  So I’m telling you that the political blow-back is coming [in a big way] and many natal  astrologers may be really shocked at what we will soon witness [on November 8th].

With my Political Contest Horary  Astrological Dream Team group — where we do political mundane forecasting, and actually take all the poll numbers and correlate them with the  Vegas odds-makers, to make Political Contest Horary snapshot — working independently, we are coming to very similar results. I have an astrologer [working in our group] in London [Joyce Lambert]; she’s a great horary astrologer. And I have another outstanding astrologer working with me in Denver [Justine M. Rowinski]. We also have some additional astrologers on our team that just check out our work from time-to-time, and the conclusions that we’ve been coming up with are pretty much the same. What we’ve been projecting — it’s almost embarrassing to say — is that we project a Trump landslide.  And we’ve been seeing this trend developing since late July, and I have been going on to myself like “Oh, this can’t be true, oh no no no no no no, the election has to be a lot closer than this, this just cannot be true!”

But at this point, I do want to say this:  folks, I was on the Kepler College discussion panel as a  invited guest astrologer to speak on the on who would be the next president , and although everyone present made a great presentation, the one thing that I stated at the end of the show was that Pennsylvania will be the state to watch in the coming weeks ahead. Because if Hillary Clinton loses the state of Pennsylvania she cannot win.  She cannot win the election; it’s just impossible for her to win based [on the electoral college score card of getting 270 votes].

2016 US Presidential Election Electoral College Projection Map - William Stickevers and Political Contest Horary Dream Team
2016 US Presidential Election Electoral College Projection Map – from William Stickevers and Political Contest Horary Dream Team, as of October 6, 2016

So here’s the current Electoral Collage  projection map.   Now this map,  is not just something I came up with on a whim. This map projection is a result of my Political Forecasting Horary team’s judgment calls and work.  If you look at my website you’ll see we’ve been showing different permutations and changes of the map, but it hasn’t changed all that much since June. In fact, we’ve been very conservative.  Where we felt that it was to close to call, we always gave it to Hillary.  So we’ve been giving Hillary the edge the entire time, even though technically it’s something you shouldn’t do in forecasting.  But in the too-close-to-call horary judgments we’ve always handed it to Hillary.  And even with doing that,  we’re STILL seeing Trump decisively winning from an electoral college standpoint.


And for those of you who doubt everything I’m saying, that just can’t be so, and in a way  I don’t blame you.  But realize, and Mark can attest for this and it’s on my website, that this method of who would win and lose all 98 primary races is 87 percent.  So in regards to the General Election, we’re either 87 percent right on this, or we’re 87 percent wrong.  So I really took the Political Contest Horary Dream Team to task, and I said we really need to figure out what’s going on in Pennsylvania. We did four horary snapshots based on different polls and changes in Vegas Oddmakers, and the result of every horary snapshot of the Pennsylvania race augured better and better chances for Trump.

But not only that. Let me explain something here. I really wanted to hold back and I didn’t want to say anything this early.  In fact, I had great trepidation last night about stating my forecast today.  I was thinking, “Should I really  push this Electoral College map out there”, ’cause I know I’m going to get a lot of heat from astrologers the world over saying “Ah, you’re going to be wrong, you’re going to be really wrong on this one.”  So I’m really sticking my neck out here.  But let me give you some other evidence why I think we might be right.

It’s very important to realize there are certain key counties, there’s certain what they call battleground counties.  These counties are bellweather counties in the sense that they have determine how their respective state votes, and what percentage they get reflects the outcome within one percent of accuracy. For example, we have in the state of Pennsylvania two counties in particular that fall within that example.  Axiom Strategies actually looks at the battleground counties and does polling snapshots every month just for those particular counties in each Battleground State.

So for the state of Pennsylvania, which is a must-win state for Hillary, we have Luzerne County and Northampton County.  And Northampton County is so accurate in determining the president in particular — both Luzerne but Northampton in particular is always within one percent of accuracy historically for the past four elections.  It’s actually 0.17 percent accurate on all the elections since 2000.  And right now Trump is ahead by eight points.  That’s implying that we’re going to see a landslide in November.

By the way, anything five points or over in this state is considered a landslide.  So we may see a landslide in Pennsylvania, and I felt much better about saying Hillary is going to lose Pennsylvania after looking at this data. And again, if she loses Pennsylvania it doesn’t matter about the rest of the states when you do the Electoral College math.  Pennsylvania  is a must-win state; it’s her political firewall.  And Trump is there a lot. When she’s taking time off, he goes to Nevada, Pennsylvania, Colorado in a single day. The following day he goes to Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida, then back to Pennsylvania.  He’s in Pennsylvania all the time.  And the campaign there has now hit critical mass.  So not only is he ahead eight points in Northampton County, he’s also ahead in Luzerne County which has a phenomenal track record as well, within 0.78 or 0.5 percent of accuracy — meaning almost perfect accuracy in the past four elections since 2000.  And Trump is ahead as of today by seven points.

Those two counties is a really telling thing.  So right now, the math, the logic, the astrology is all leaning and leading towards a decisive Trump victory come November.

Mark Metheny: Well, those are amazing numbers because, I mean, eight percent is quite a difference there.  I’m looking through the map here.  So what I’m hearing you say is that it looks like it could actually be a blowout across the board in Trump’s favor, but you’re being cautious in going that far.  Because all the tell-tale signs and numbers are starting to point that direction.

William:  Correct.  In fact, one of the things I’m really trying to do, and I remind my students of this — I try and live by what I say — is not to “nowcast” but to forecast.  So I’m not saying, hey, well, based on today’s polls and what I saw today I think it’s going to be a tight race and Hillary will squeak by because blah, blah, blah. No no no no no!  I’m using all the different tools, looking at all the forward bellweather states and bellweather counties, and they are indicating a decisive Trump victory.  And  another thing I want to mention that really sort of puts the nail in the coffin is, do you know the three states that if a candidates is  ahead in [the composite polling] there’s over a 90 percent chance they will likely win?  Forget the counties.  There’s three states, historically speaking, since 1896 that will make you the next president of the United States.  Do you know which ones those are?

Mark:  Is it Ohio, Pennsylvania, and, is Nevada the third one?  Or Florida.

William:  Well, that’s pretty close.  It’s actually Ohio, Missouri, and Nevada.  All three have an outstanding track record.  Ohio and Nevada have a 92-93 percent accuracy on picking the winner.  So if you were winning in those two states, you have around a  80 percent chance of winning.  But if you include Missouri and Ohio and Nevada, you’re now well over a 90 percent chance.  So a week ago Trump was ahead in Nevada, decisively.  And then CNN claims that he lost some support, but I’m not buying into that.  Trump is significantly ahead in Missouri.  He’s slightly ahead in Ohio.  In fact, Hillary is now denying that she’s shutting down her Ohio operation, and her campaign team stated she realizes she needs to put her energy into protecting her firewall in Pennsylvania.  So, Nevada is still very fluid, but the trends are showing well for Trump.  But just the fact that we have Missouri and Ohio in Trump’s camp puts you into the 75 percent probability, close to 80 percent probability of winning the election. Which, by the way, is pretty close to what the S&P 500 projection is: 86 percent.

Highest percentage for varying lengths of time for presidential elections, 1896–2012

  • Nevada – 1 miss (1976) from 1912 on (96.2%, slightly “too Republican“).

  • Ohio – 2 misses (1944, 1960) from 1896 on (93.3%, slightly “too Republican”). Currently the longest perfect streak.

  • New Mexico – 2 misses (1976, 2000) from 1912 on (92.3%, “neutral”). The state of New Mexico voted for the winner of the popular vote in 2000.

I could list of the statistics, and I’ll post something there for your group, but  I don’t want to get too deep into that because that it can get boring, and it’s beyond the scope of astrological forecasting.  But for those naysayers who’re saying that it just can’t be so, trust me — the evidence is compelling that those three bellweather states are very telling. Especially in terms of political forecasters who don’t use astrology, they’re looking at those states and the bellweather counties of  those states. And again, they’re all indicating Trump.

So, I think the astrologers need to really reframe their position on the election,  and stop embarrassing themselves by saying “Hillary wins no matter what….Hillary wins no matter what!”  It’s going to look foolish enough for the media, but the astrologers have enough going against them.

Mark:  So I just just want to put in perspective, a little bit of what I do and how it explains the stuff you have to deal with.

So, one of my other jobs is that I’ve worked in sports statistics since spring of 1985, so 31 years.  So I’ve worked on TV and radio sporting events for 31 years, and I’ve started applying that to astrology, so I have a trunk here full of charts of all the pro and a lot of the college sports teams, and I look at sporting events and everything.  So just so that people understand how difficult this is, I would just sit for, not necessarily hours, but I will sit for a long time just looking at the charts for two teams, and you almost have to fight what your preconceived notion is of what you think the outcome will be.  So when you’re looking at a horary, or an event, or an election, a sporting event, you almost end up — like what you’re saying, can this be real?  Because this is not what the media is telling me and what other people are telling me, this should not be so.  So, what you do with this is very difficult because you can get into these battles within your own head, if you get something very different than what my rational left brain is being told should happen.

So I just want people to know the kind of stuff that you have to go through to come up with a prediction or a forecast that is not what the mainstream would expect.  So that is a very difficult position for you to be in, so I feel your pain. (laughs)  And I just want everyone else to know how difficult it is.  And when you look the chart for a sporting event and a chart for the two teams, and I can just sit and split hairs and minutiae for days over stuff.  And so, for something to show up this obvious and contrary to what the status quo believes the outcome is going to be, that’s kudos to you and your group on that work.

William: Thank you very much, Mark.  I mean, I’ll tell you the truth. Last night I was up late and I just said, I don’t know what I’m going to say on this show, because the last thing I watched on TV was CNN saying, oh, people in Nevada who were going to vote for Trump have actually changed their mind.  They interviewed some people who said, “I saw the debate and that was such a disaster that I definitely have to vote for Hillary now.”  And first I was thinking, well, first of all, the debate wasn’t a disaster.  And it wasn’t that bad to turn off every voter in Nevada to turn the polls the other way around.  That’s number one.  Number two, I find it interesting that all of a sudden they’re saying, a week ago they were saying the race is tight, and now they’re saying Hillary is favored to win. It’s very clear to me what they are doing.  I hear these statements on NPR radio that the second debate may actually put the nail in the coffin for Trump.  I hear these things and you have to ignore it, and as an astrologer and forecaster you have to look at the data and be true to it.  And, Mark, I know what you went through with Bernie race, where you start having doubt,  and you start thinking to yourself, are you the only guy seeing this?  So, yeah,  you know, I could be wrong, but I’m being true to the data, I’m being true to the astrology, and I’m being true to the secular trends.  And from what I’m seeing this is not going to be a squeaker election, where its  going to come down to Ohio,  down to some obscure county where 4,000 votes determine the outcome like it did with Kerry and Bush in 2004.  No, I don’t see that happening here in 2016.  That’s not what I’m seeing.  I’m seeing more of a 1980 replay, if I’m right.  Or maybe not to that extent but something much closer to George Bush vs. Michael Dukakis.  And, folks, remember, at this time in October back in 1988, Michael Dukakis was 17 points ahead of George Bush, and George Bush won by a landslide.

Mark:  Was that because — that was one of the famous debates where Dukakis kind of got put in his place, wasn’t it.

William:  Yes, in fact Dukakis won the first debate.  You’ve got to remember, too, Dukakis was ahead by 10-17 points, depending on who was polling, from July all the way until late October.

Mark:  Right.

William:  So there was a lapse.  And what you’re seeing now is Trump surging slowly. It’s a slow but steady surge.  Hillary’s numbers are slowly declining, not collapsing totally but declining, and they’re at this parody point now.  Trump has much more upward to go.  We haven’t seen his numbers top.  And classically, in every race to date, he’s a great finisher.  He’s behind or second place, and then BOOM at the very end he pulls ahead and wins.  He’s like the “dark horse” Secretariat.

Mark:  Right, right.

William:  Right?  He’s very much like a dark horse.  A dark horse always stays in the back, right (laughs) — people are changing their bets by the third turn, and BOOM — he not only wins but he breaks records.  And Trump has proven himself to be a great finisher at the very end of election battles.  He doesn’t always poll the best and then boom — he comes out ahead, and he comes out breaking records.

And remember, folks — more people voted for Trump than voted for any GOP candidate, broke the records by 60 percent.  Fewer people voted for Hillary than voted for Obama in the 2008 primary, when the population was smaller.  Less people, significantly less people voted for Hillary.  And so we’re being told to believe — and even though people — when it came to the primaries — people voted less for Hillary than Obama, and Trump got far more than Romney did, far more than Reagan, and far more than anyone did, and blew out all the numbers.  We are led to believe that Hillary Clinton is still as strong as a candidate or stronger than Barack Obama, and Donald Trump is a weaker candidate than Mitt Romney.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is no data to support that.  And that is what the media, and the astrologers who basically parrot what they say, by and large, want all of us to believe.

Mark:  Well, the proof will be in the pudding, they say, but there’s — I think it is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves will have to say it’s obvious that there is a disconnect between what we are seeing in the polls and what we are seeing around us vs. what the media is telling us is going one.  There’s definitely something not jiving there.

William:  Right.  And to tell you the truth — and I’m look at the polling data as well, you know that.  I don’t just look at the astrology.  I look at all the trends, I look at all the economics.  In order for Hillary to win the way the astrologers are predicting and the political pundits who’ve been wrong all along — remember, all the political pundits were wrong all along on almost every race.  They would’ve lost their shirts if they bet money.  And yet for Hillary to win the way they’re saying, we would need to see a surge happening about now.

Now that may happen, BUT that’s not what I’m seeing.  We would need to start seeing a significant, decisive, dramatic, watershed set of events occur in her favor that galvanize her campaign and have her surge in the polls, especially in the key battleground states.   And right now folks, she is losing momentum in the key battleground states. That much is clear.  She’s not campaigning at the speed  and intensity she needs to.  I mean, Trump hits so many places, he fills the place — 30,0000, 50,000, or 100,000 people at a time. The numbers are huge.  They’re bigger than Barack Obama’s was in 2008 — something else the media doesn’t want you to know.  And that is something else the astrologers don’t want to talk about.

So again, the evidence is overwhelming, and yet, many people want to pretend, you know, keep calm and pretend everything is normal.  Pretend and extend that this election is another version of  2008 for the Democrats all over again. That’s what the media pundits and a majority of the astrologers want you to believe about Hillary, all over again.


Mark:  Right, whereas the numbers are showing that there’s something very different going on than what the media is trying to assure us is going on, which leads the conspiratorial side of my brain — which is actually both sides — to say, okay, is there something up their sleeve?  Are they just trying, do they have something in the works and they just have to keep selling it so people don’t question the results.

William: Well, that’s a great question.  I actually think if we see a Hillary landslide and I have to be rebuked by the 50,000 astrologers assaulting my blog every month, worldwide, it would certainly indicate to me that some other  X factor is involved in the outcome of the election.  Stating that, I do believe the American oligarchy is extremely desperate, because you have to remember one thing — in order for global financial reset to occur — which is basically pulling out and replacing  the U.S.  petro-dollar and the U.S. Treasury bonds out of virtually every bank throughout the world — in order for them to be swapped by the International Monetary Fund SDR — it’s called Special Drawing Rights, world money . Now,  in order for that to occur, a debt jubilee would have to be declared, which needs to actually happen.  Because all the debt worldwide is unpayable, it’s stagnating, and destroying the currencies.

Also, they can’t keep zero percent interest rates going. And they, the oligarchy, can’t keep negative interest rates going; they know the financial system is going to come to a collapse.  So the only thing they can do is pull the dollar off as a world reserve currency and swap everything out.  For all of that to occur, they need to have certain trade agreements in place.  All these trade agreements that have been in place, and the new ones that are even more in depth that basically take away all national oversight and power away from countries, allow for a new global financial system to take over, not only at the international level but the national level, at the municipal level and at the local level, worldwide.  One currency for all countries.  And in order for that to all work and happen you need to have to TPP in place.  So I believe Obama is going to push that through.  And if he doesn’t achieve it, Hillary Clinton must and will achieve TPP passage.  Once we have a reset of — once those trade pacts are pushed through, then they’re going to invoke global financial reset shortly thereafter, within a very short amount of time.  So they’re basically going to implode the economies, and in doing so they are going to recapitalize the Central Banks with SDRs, and the dollar and all the other types of currencies will be, over a period of 5-10 year period, be completely discontinued.  Then, once they have that in place, they can have global governance.  And that’s really what they really have planned, and that is a one world oligarchical infrastructure in place. But first you need to do the economics.  Once you have the economics in place, things like nationalism and things like legal boundaries and state boundaries, or national boundaries really don’t mean that much.  And then you go from unilateral to a multilateral defense system, which is sort of what NATO is, even though it is still U.S.-dominated.

Also, they want to get rid of U.S. power, they want to marginalize U.S. military power as much as possible.  They want it to be on parody with China and Russia, and no longer to be the dominant country in the world.  And for all that to happen, thing things I have just described have to take place.

This stuff goes beyond the scope of what we’re talking about today, and I hope we will do a show maybe in the near future, but the key thing to remember is that the oligarchy needs to get Hillary Clinton in office.  She must win at all costs.  Without her winning, the oligarchy’s plan and policies that have been operative and put into place and rapidly being rolled out since 1992, will be completely disrupted by Trumpzilla, because he’s not going to play ball with them.  He’s even threatened to audit  the Federal Reserve, stating something like, “and if  I see that they are in the red, I am defaulting on the debt, I am going to default on the treasuries, on the bonds.” There’s going to be a jubilee, that’s  basically what he is saying. Along with “well, you may get a pension but it’ll be only 50 cents on the dollar.  I don’t care because I’m going to do what it takes to fix the economy and you can’t have an economy that is based on a debt-driven market model.”  He just may do it.  Everyone knows it, and no one wants to talk about it.  He knows it’s either going to happen organically when the debt implosion occurs, OR he’s going to push the economic red button and do it the way you would in a controlled demolition, like a Chapter 13 model, for all intents and purposes, on a national level.  And if that happens, China, Russia, Europe, and everyone who has our treasuries as a core asset will be screwed. But he is Trumpzilla and he doesn’t care.

So the oligarchy’s plan for a one world, unified — where the SWF, the BIS, Bank of International Settlements, is the underpinning central bank that basically carries out the agenda of the IMF, where you have a one world currency system.  That just can’t happen if you have a Trumpzilla occupying the White House.

Mark:  Agreed.  And that’s…  I mean, I guess we can really only guess beyond that what would happen.  We’re beyond at odds with Russia over the Syria thing.  You know, if he pulls the plug on… (exhale)

William:  (laughs)

Mark:  (laughs)  I don’t even, I don’t even know what this would all look like, to be honest with you after that.  Almost too many moving parts for my brain, I think.  (laughs)

William:  Well, I want to say one thing.  Everyone says this is what Trump is going to do if he becomes President., implying he going to be the worst president in the world.  Well, I don’t know if he’s going to be the worst president in the history of the world.  But I do know one thing. After looking up Trump’s personal biography and his natal chart (I’m sure you have Mark — I know Theodore White has) that  whatever he does, if he gets in office, it will be big.  It will be dramatic.  It will be rolled out fast, and be implemented unconventionally.  The implementation or the legal means by which whatever happens in his term in office will be unprecedented.  And he always seems to do things in a dramatic, big, and unconventional style in his biography with his love life, with women – in regards to his wives, with business, with money, and his social life.  He takes massive risk by rolling the dice, and he’s all in with all his money.  And that’s what he’s going to do  and what we are going to see if he gets into office.  He’s going to see things as they are now, roll up his sleeves, whatever he doesn’t like he’s going to throw his atomic political breath on it and everybody better get  out the way. We have never seen a president speak and say, “This is what’s going on; I’m going to tell you stuff you shouldn’t know but now you’re going to know.  And you’re going to understand why I’m going to push that button.  And when I do, everyone’s going to feel the pain.  But once the pain is over, then things will reset to normal.  Then we’ll have real price discovery.  Then housing prices will go back to normal.  Then people will be able to see their wages go up.  We’ll see a country that begins to export, and industries that decide to keep whatever manufacturing here that’s left, stay here and taxes that don’t stay in Ireland.”  And those types of things.

So you know, no one wants to push that button.  “Hope and Change” is gone and a thing of the past.  Now it’s Trumpzilla’s turn, and we’re Tokyo.  And he’s going to do what Godzilla does to anything in his way and no one can stop him.  And let me tell you something, he’s very convincing, not only to the electorate, he’s very convincing with business people.  He’s very convincing with women, he’s very convincing with men.  He’s got charisma.  I’m not saying Congress isn’t going to balk.  I’m not saying they’re not going to give him a fight.  But he’s not going to be a guy who just walks away, stays locked up in the White House and lets somebody else handle it.  This is going to be a guy the astrologers are going to be pulling their hair out over because they’re going to predict “this is what I think Trump will do” — and NO, he’s not going to do that.  Not at all.  Whatever the astrologers write about Trump, Mark, whatever they write — I’m just going to watch for a while — they’re going to be flat out wrong! Like they’ve been wrong so far about him so far.  If he gets elected, they will be wrong.  Because they couldn’t even call his nomination correctly, right out from the gate from the beginning.  They’re assuming he’s just going to be another version of whatever we’ve had in the past.  And what  I’m saying here is all bets are off for everybody, once and if Trumpzilla gets in office.

Mark:  I agree.  A lot of people when they talk about Trump, they talk about that Mars in Leo and everything, and to me, the first thing I see is that Uranus conjunct his North Node, and Moon, I believe it is.  I mean, to me that’s the true nature there of what he is and what we’re going to get, is that Uranian energy.  And that’s why they haven’t been able to shut him down, and why Hillary and others don’t know how to handle him.  Because it’s Uranus.  He is Uranus.  Period.  I don’t even care about that Mars in Leo.   He is Uranus.  He is chaos.

William:  Yeah, Trumpzilla is chaos with a secret hidden agenda. An enigma wrapped in a riddle. And everything you say about him, once you think you have him figured him out, will just make you a fool of yourself because, he going prove you [the astrologers] wrong again.

Now, I’m not saying this guy is genius.  I’m just saying that he is a wild card and he’s got a lot of talent.  Maybe it’s misdirected at times, but the guy has got a lot of talent and a lot of charisma.  What he just pulled off in getting the nomination is revolutionary in and of itself. The fact that he was behind the huge voter turnout, and even if he doesn’t win, it’s going to be revolutionary in and of itself.

There’s no going back to the Grand Old Party anymore; there is no Republican party now. The Bush dynasty is over.  And let me tell you something, I think he’s even destroyed the Democrats, because he’s really exposed them for what they are.  In fact, many, many of the Democrats I know are not voting for Hillary, okay, or they’re stepping out this time around.  So again, we are in the Twilight Zone. And we have never seen a movie or episode like this.

Mark, you’ve got to realize, I’ve been keeping quiet, and just posting my stuff, and having to go astrology meetings playing it low.  You know I’m the treasurer on the Board for San Francisco NCGR and you know how many speakers keep coming there  to lecture there telling me Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, as if Trump doesn’t even exist.  Here is the most common two sentences from most of the astrologers discussing the election in the chapter: “Can you believe this guy?  Let’s not even talk about him and discuss Hillary’s chart.”  I keep hearing this again, over and over and over.  And from my New York City friends, it’s almost the same! Now, that way I’m speaking here today may be a little bit over the top for some of your listeners, but that is only because this has been pent up energy where I’m seeing something so radically different.

Mark:  And nobody even wants to look at the numbers.  They just want to talk about what their preconceived notions are, which I’ve got to say I was completely wrong on — if we look back to January or February, I was completely wrong on how this was all going to go.  I figured the Republicans would try to throw somebody else in at the convention, especially when they all came out, and when your whole party is against you as it was at one point, and then he still — the thing that’s hilarious to me, all the people that are throwing certain stereotypes at him and at his followers, they so do not see what is driving this phenomena, and they’re feeding into it, they’re building it.  And they don’t see that the more that they do that, they’re actually raising the chances that he will win, and they’re actually feeding the fire.  So, yeah, I don’t have a horse in the race between those two, but it’s a completely fascinating psychological study for me.  Because at least at some point I had to say I am wrong; what I thought was going to happen is not playing out that way.

William:  Mark, but you were almost right, and I have to hand it to you — you were one of the people who saw the populist revolution occurring, and you knew it was either going to be Trump or Bernie.  So it was going to be Bernie vs. Bush or Cruz, or Trump vs. Hillary.  The race we all wanted to see was populist vs. populist, and that never happens, that fight never happens.  It’s a fantasy fight.

Mark:  Right.  (laughs)

William:  So we don’t see — I’m trying to think of a good Rocky fight — we don’t see the Russian Ivan Drago fight Clubber Lang.

Mark:  Right. (laughs)

William:  They have to fight an established champion.  I mean, that would be a great fight, but (laughs).  And that would’ve a great election if we had [Bernie and Trump] going at it, and believe me, it would be a much closer election — if I’m right.  It would’ve been a much closer election.  So, we’ll see what happens.  I do understand that basically what I said is outside the comfort zone of many people listening to this program, and I’m generally —  I do this quite a bit.  I looked at Scotland, and people were saying, William, you’re going to be wrong about Scotland, and I called it right.  So, it’s not like I do this once in a while.

I’ll tell you one Political Contest Horary election that I’m really proud of.  There was a midterm election, there was an election between, the senatorial election in North Carolina, Kay Hagan.  She was way ahead, and the mainstream media predicted she’s going to win. I did the horary snapshot based on the polls and oddsmakers for the North Caronlina race and I  predicted that she’s not going to win.  It was clear that it would become a decisive win for her GOP opponent. And I was right, and many people asked, wow, how’d you call it?  Because I know this technique that I’ve been using since 2007 — and I keep tweaking and improving it — I know I can make valid calls, with 80 percent accuracy within 1.9 points within the margin of error in the polls.  And I may be wrong about some of the states, in the forthcoming election, but I’m pretty confident now that Hillary is going to lose Pennsylvania at this point.  And I know some people are going to call me and say, oh, no, that’s not what I’m hearing.  But, Mark, I have clients all over the country — as you know, I do a lot of forecasting — and I ask them would you tell me who you voted for in 2008?  And almost all say they voted for Obama.  Then I ask them if they voted  for Obama a second time, and there is a close split between Obama and Romney. But then I ask all my clients, especially the ones from your state, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and they’ll say, oh, no Trump.  They’re not thinking of voting for Hillary.  They’re voting for Trump, even though many voted for Obama twice.  My New York friends say, oh, I’m voting for Trump.  So, it’s my own unofficial poll from about 80 people from all different states who voted for Obama once or twice, but now,  are telling me they are voting for Trump.  Actually, two people said they are voting for Hillary.  So what does that tell you?

Mark:  That there is a monumental shift that is not being captured by the media or most of the mainstream astrologers or media of any sort.  They still haven’t figured out what’s going on, after telling us what’s going to happen for the last year.

William:  You know, I was on the phone with my mother today; she lives in Florida.  And that’s a must-win state for Trump.  And I asked her — she voted for Obama the first time, and I think she voted for Romney the second time, and some of her friends were split.  She sees what’s going on there with the campaign.  And I said to her this morning, you know, I hear Hillary’s numbers are improving in Florida, and she said,  “I don’t know why the news is saying that because  four years ago I saw Obama and Romney here, but now all I see is Trump.”  You don’t even see anything happening there with Hillary.  And she’s near the Orlando area.  And she says that everyone in her retirement village are all for Trump.  So I just heard this this morning, so I’m wondering, so where’s this Hillary surge in Florida coming from?  And she works at Walmart, she doesn’t need to work there, she just does it to keep busy, she has a very good pension.  But she talks to people, and she sees people in Walmart and she said they’re all in Trump shirts, Trump hats, etc. She says it’s like the election is going to be tomorrow.  So, that’s  Florida.  And I thought that was interesting.

Mark:  Right.  I’m seeing that here in Ohio too.  Probably three weeks ago or a month ago, we were saying, man, there’s just so few political signs.  I’ve never seen this few political signs.  Because usually once you get to after the conventions, that’s when they start going up, and there’s hardly been any.  And then in the last three weeks, there were Trump signs just going up everywhere.  We saw a dude with a big decked out Ford truck, he had it painted Trump and everything, and it’s like, counting yard signs and bumper stickers and stuff is not very scientific but looking at that, it’s like ten to one.  And counting yard signs and stuff, Gary Johnson is second.  (laughs)

William: (laughs)

Mark:  So, I don’t know, maybe Clinton gets people at the end or they don’t want to deal with the harassment or whatever they feel they would get.  I don’t know.  But just looking at yard signs and bumper stickers it is not split evenly at all.

William:  Yes, and you know, the fact that Hillary’s campaign is considering pulling out her entire Ohio operation is telling.  She’s denying it but this is what we’re seeing all over the internet now.  People are saying, yeah, she has to make a decision to pull out, they can’t keep sustaining the operations because they’re losing traction in other states.  They’re losing in the Rust Belt, and her campaign just can’t figure it out.  Because there’s massive underemployment and gigantic unemployment, and things have gotten worse in almost eight years since Obama’s taken office.  Not that it’s totally his fault, but the fact that his stewardship of the economy is no better, or as worse  G.W. Bush’s economy?  No, let’s not talk about that; that cannot be the case, right? (Laughs)

Mark:  Right.  Right.  (sigh)  I have to say, (laughs) for me, this has been by far the most fun and fascinating election, I think, of my lifetime.  (laughs)  I mean, maybe it’s because I don’t have too much of a dog in this fight, but I just mean, the people-watching and they psychology study has just been amazing.  (laughs)

William:  Absolutely.  It’s telling us a lot.  When you listen, and you see what’s going on, you realize that people are really desperate.  And I’m not saying that Donald Trump has the answer, because we don’t even know what that answer is.

Mark:  Right.

William:  We know that what he’s saying has nothing to do with what he’s really going to do.  Everybody knows that, too.  People say, yeah, yeah, yeah, he’s not really going to be build a wall; he’s just going to make sure the illegal immigration gets under control.  I mean, people say that.  People know that.

Mark:  Right.

William:  I mean, nobody cares about the fact that he doesn’t have to pay taxes because the tax law says if you take a loss, you don’t need to pay taxes until you’ve recovered from your loss.  I mean, that’s the tax law.  If you don’t comply with the tax law, you get audited, you get shut down.  The IRS does that faster than any agency.  People are not going to vote on that.  Let me tell you something, folks — putting the astrology aside for a moment — Hillary Clinton is desperate.  She needs to stop the Trump revolution in its tracks and she needs to make Trump unacceptable as an agent of change.  She needs to get it down in these next two debates that Trump is unacceptable as an agent of change, which she wasn’t able to establish in the first one.

She just sort of neutralized him, but she didn’t change, she lost the message on that.  Secondly, she needs — along with her campaign and the media along with the oligarchy all working in concert,  to keep people distracted from their determination to rid incompetent politicians who are ruling outside the [constitutional] rule of law, composed of a corrupt ruling class, a political class if you will,  that controls the capital and business infrastructure of the country.  So basically, they need to keep people distracted.

And the third thing is that they have to keep people distracted from the betrayal that the government, especially the Obama Administration, of what has happened to the American working class. They have to distract voters from the continued acceleration of the outsourcing and de-industrialization of the country.  To distract us from the loss of economic independence that America achieved by 1900, becoming the greatest economic superpower in the world.  By 1900.  You realize that.  From the Civil War to 1900, America out-produced all the countries in the world combined by 1900.  And by 1945 was the world’s greatest military, technological, industrial, cultural, agricultural superpower of all time.  And what is it today? A shadow of its former self!  So they have to keep people distracted and they have to keep this “extend and pretend” economic and financial policies going.

And let me tell you something else, folks, it is not the stock market. It’s the bond market, which is 17 times bigger than the stock market, which is going to implode.  Everyone keeps talking about this.  Why do you think Deutsche Bank is insolvent?  Why do you think Credit Suisse actually said today, oh, we’re insolvent too.  And Barclay’s said, we’re insolvent.  Because it has to do with all this leveraged debt on the bonds, and just injecting liquidity, and keeping interest rates at zero and or at negative percent level.

Keep in mind that you can’t have bonds continue when you have negative or zero percent interest rates.  And when that blows up, it’s the end of the banking system.  It’s the end of governance over the financial system.  So they have to keep the “extend and pretend” thing going and they have to keep distraction operations going, while Hillary has to make sure that she frames Trump as an unacceptable change agent for the country, regardless of what he says.

Most of the people out there are completely clueless about what’s really going on, I tell you. Many are living their little San Francisco bubble, or  New York City bubble — and you know what I’m talking about, Mark —  those privileged, entitlement folk who continue to act as if this is the year 2000 and this stuff is just irrelevant political posturing.

Folks, this is beyond a political posturing.  We have now is a revolution going on with this election. The question is, is this a Category 1 or 2 event?

Mark:  Right.  (sigh)  (laughs)  We could probably go on for another 10 hours here.

William:  (laughs)

Mark:  Let’s make sure we get your contact info with the time we have left.  While we have a chance here, tell everyone how they can get a reading from you or how to participate in your classes, tell people how to get a hold of you and what else you’ve got going on.

William:  Probably right now they’re all freaked out and saying, I’m not getting a reading from that guy!  The way he talks…

Mark:  (laughs)

William:  But the reality is that I tell it like I see it.  I tell it like I see it in terms of the context of your own life.  I provide solutions and strategies.  I’m not just a guy who says, oh, I think Pluto is coming to your Sun and it’s going to be a little tough time but you’ll get through it and call me in a year.  No, I’m not that type of astrologer.  I’ll call it like I see it.  I’ll provide you strategies.  I’ll give you insight.  I’ll get you out of your comfort zone to consider things you wouldn’t have considered.  I will prep you accordingly.  So don’t think I’m that type of astrologer that just leaves people high and dry.

So if I’m coming across in this interview that way it’s because I’m very passionate about what I’m saying and I’ve gotten a lot of kickback in a number of months because of what I’ve been seeing and constantly having to accept what the astrological community keeps pontificating, which is very contrary to what I’m seeing.

So, having said that, you can reach me at williamstickevers.com, or on Facebook.  Reach out to me, I’m very open to discussing things.  If you’re a staunch Democrat who believes Hillary wins by a landslide, that’s fine; I’m very open to what you believe, for I’m not partisan.  I don’t mean to offend anyone but I have to state the position.  We are beyond the point of plausible deniability, of extending and pretending, of just playing along with what we’re going to be told to do, pay out taxes, say nothing, just show up and pretend everything is fine.  That is over with folks.

Mark:  Yes.  I agree, and I think the next month will be fascinating to watch.  Kind of interesting that the first debate was on the day of a Pluto station.  The third debate, I believe, is on the same day of a Mars-Jupiter or Mars-Pluto conjunction.  But the second debate this Sunday, with the Moon in Capricorn and the Moon void-of-course.  So it just feels like there’s a lot of intensity on the first and third debates, and not that the one Sunday isn’t going to have intensity, but things that happen sometimes during that Moon void-of-course tend not to stick with people afterwords.

William:  I agree.  I don’t think the second debate is really going to determine the outcome of the election for the  undecideds in those seven battleground states.  I think, because Pluto is very prominent in the third debate and it’s making — for there are some very good aspects going on there, I think Trumpzilla is going to unleash his atomic breath.  You know, how at the end of Godzilla, you didn’t really know if he had that power.

Mark: Right.  (laughs)

William:  (laughs) Exactly. So I don’t want to give away the movie, but for those, we didn’t know if the new Godzilla had his atomic breath in the film, is  because he doesn’t show it until the most dramatic and most opportune moment, and then BOOM.

Mark:  (laughs)  Right.

William:  So that Mars-Pluto atomic breath, where the rage and the suppression — the people want Trump to nail her because she gets away with saying so much and she has moderators that protect her and she knows the questions beforehand.   But here’s the thing — the transits are really going to help Trump, and I believe Trump will triumph at the end on the third debate.  I believe that will be the moment when there will be “That’s it, I’ve made my decision.”  I also believe, folks, that something is going to start give  with the markets, and something is going to happen in the world, where there’s going to be a definitive crisis.  We’re already in a crisis with Deutsche Bank, we can’t go into that, we don’t have time.  But something is going to give and when those secular events set off, Trump is going to have better answers or at least he’s going to sound more convincing.  He may not have a plan but he’ll sound more convincing, he will do something about it.  He may not know what to do, but he’ll give the impression with that Mars-Pluto conjunction, I’m going to do this; I will do it.  And people will be convinced.  They want someone who’s going do something, because we’ve had a president, at least for the second term of Obama — you have to admit, Mark, for the second term, what has he done?

Mark:  Oh, nothing.  Nothing.

William:  Exactly right, nothing!  They want to see something dramatic, fast, and heroic.  They want to see a President that they see in the movies.  People want that.  And he’s going to act that out with “I will do it,” whatever that be, and I believe it will be with a brewing crisis.

Mark:  Right.

William:  So it doesn’t have to sound so crafted.  People don’t want to hear a perfectly crafted answer.  They want to hear something authentic, real, and be convincing that he really is going to follow through and do what he really says.  Right?  And once they’re convinced, they’re going to vote Trump.  I’m not talking about the people who’ve decided; I’m talking about the undecideds.  And I don’t even care about the California folks, or the New York folks.  I don’t care about New Hampshire folks.  All I care about is Ohio, Pennsylvania, I care about Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada.  I’m looking at those states.  Because once we know what’s going on in those states, that determines the outcome of the election.  Nobody else.

Mark:  I agree.  And that takes us to the bottom of the hour here, we’ve got about five seconds I want to thank my guest William Stickevers for spending two hours and enlightening with us, and we will have you and Theodore both back on later this year, early next year to see what’s going on.

William:  Thank you very much for having me, Mark.  It’s a pleasure; it’s always great and I look forward to seeing you on Facebook and talking with you otherwise.  Thanks.

Mark:  Absolutely.  Great info.  Thank you, William.


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2016 Presidential Election Winner: Analysis

As the Primary race transitions into a General Election campaign, I have to say something before a certain astrologer puts words in my mouth about the election. So please bear with me here.

Based on my political black box model forecast projections and the excellent mundane forecasting work of Theodore White, it’s highly likely Trump will win the popular vote.  (Surprised? Why?)  However, I’m holding off on making a prediction that Trump will win the electoral college vote and go on to be President for now because of the Democrats’ structural demographic advantage in Pennsylvania and the Rust Belt Swing States like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio.

That being said, one scenario that is possible — based on the Jupiter-Pluto square alignment this November — is the possibility that the Electoral College winner will not receive the plurality of the nationwide popular vote.

In elections, a majority (or popular vote) happens when more than half of the electorate votes for one candidate. For example, if a candidate gets 50.1% of the vote, she gets a majority. A plurality happens when less than half vote for a candidate that wins because the vote is split among more than two candidates.

Now, before you think this rarely happens, and just won’t happen again because Skeptical Political Astrologers keeping telling you this, keep in mind the following:

  • 2000: Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush won the electoral vote.
  • 1888: Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but Benjamin Harrison won the electoral vote.
  • 1876: Samuel Tilden won the popular vote but Rutherford B. Hayes won the electoral vote.
  • 1824: Andrew Jackson won the popular vote but John Quincy Adams won the electoral vote.

Also of note, due to third party candidates, the following Presidents won with a plurality, but not majority of the popular vote:

  • 1996: Bill Clinton
  • 1992: Bill Clinton
  • 1968: Richard Nixon
  • 1960: John F. Kennedy
  • 1948: Harry Truman
  • 1916: Woodrow Wilson
  • 1912: Woodrow Wilson
  • 1892: Grover Cleveland
  • 1884: Grover Cleveland (He won a plurality 3 times in a row, but still lost the EC in 1888)
  • 1880: James Garfield
  • 1860: Abraham Lincoln (with 4 major contenders, his 39.8% was the lowest plurality ever. Technically, John Quincy Adams won with a lower percentage of the vote, 30.9%, but the plurality was held by the loser Andrew Jackson at 41.3%)
  • 1856: James Buchanan
  • 1848: Zachary Taylor
  • 1844: James K. Polk

Now, if the vote between Hillary and Trump is fairly close, say 51/49, the Electoral College can give the advantage to the 49, which it is designed to do, to give an advantage to the small states.

Based on this fact, it is likely that Trump will do better in small states than in the larger ones so that any Electoral College upset is more likely to be in his favor than against.

To conclude, I think it’s fair to say this is Trump’s election to win and Hillary’s election to lose, and any astrologer telling you otherwise is just pontificating and making a prediction by proclamation rather than looking at the mundane astrological portents and political secular polls and economic trends.

This is going to be either a Reagan-Carter 1980 race or a Bush-Gore 2000 race at this point in the campaign.


• I am more committed to the truth and outcome of political contest than my own political expectations or preferences.
• I call it as I see it, not as I want it.
• I have been a registered Independent since 1984.
• I am a political atheist; I don’t believe in political parties.

Political Contest Horary AstroProbability and the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election
Tracking probabilities for the winner of the seven battleground states in the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election from Nate Silver’s Five Thirty Eight, PredictIt.com, Axiom Strategies, and Political Contest Horary AstroProbabiliy generated by a team of political contest horary astrologers led by mundane astrologer William Stickevers.

[2016 Election] Candidates, Primaries, and Super Tuesday Predictions

Transcribed from “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny
“2016 Election” Guests: William Stickevers and Theodore White
(Airdate: March 13, 2016)


Mark Metheny: Good evening and greetings from Columbus, Ohio, the center of the political universe for the next two days, if you will.  … So I think I have both of my guest in the waiting room here and we are going to get into what they see going on out there right now and some predictions for Super Tuesday and for the presidential election and further on down the road.  I believe we have William Stickevers on the line?

William Stickevers:  Yes, Mark, how are you?

Mark:  How are you doing, my friend?

William:  Great.  Great to be on again.

Mark:  Thank you.  Thank you very much for taking time out of your schedule.  And I think we have Theodore White on the other line?

Theodore White:  Hi, Mark, thanks.  Pleasure to be here.

Mark: Thanks for sitting on hold there.  … Okay, so we’ve got a list of questions here that I gave to both of you.

So, William, do you want to start with what’s going on?  We’ve have a little running joke about how angry it is out there.  What’s your take?  What’s going on out there?

William: Well, basically what we’re seeing is a revolt from the middle class.  We’ve seen the collapse of the middle class that has taken place over the past seven years where there was a recovery on Wall Street but no recovery on Main Street.  And the middle class has deleveraged dramatically, somewhere between 30-40% depending on what sources you follow.  So, the end result of all this exacerbated by [the transits] and the upcoming general election, of course.

Also, this type of revolt and growing rebellion by the middle class is also impacting the working class now as the continued outsourcing and the globalization has been going unabated, full throttle, if you will, and has impacted virtually every sector of the United States economy.  We are now seeing this voter revolt not only play itself out in local elections or state elections or midterm elections, but also in the presidential general election.  This voter revolt is also all being exacerbated by the impact of globalization, which began during the Uranus-Neptune Conjunction in 1992, and coincided with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and agenda and effort on the part of the global elite who continued to accelerate and intensify the globalization process in this nation under the stewardship of the Obama Administration, the results that we are seeing now.

And, of course, you have to factor in the Uranus-Pluto effect and the Saturn-Neptune that are now key mundane astrological factors.  And also the Jupiter-Saturn alignment that will come into play this month through November.  Theodore wants to talk about those transits and then how they’re playing themselves out on the mundane level, and then I’d like to go into talking about the voter anger because I believe I was one of the first astrologers out there to detect that and publish some predictions based on that and why we’re seeing the continued rise of Donald Trump, along with the counter-insurgency development in the Democratic Party as well Bernie Sanders.

Mark:  Very good.  Theodore, do you want to comment there?

Theodore:  Yes, that was a pretty fine overview by William.  I’d like to add on the overall atmosphere right now, for your listeners, concerning what’s going on in the country and the world generally with these planetary transits.  William alluded to the Jupiter-Saturn square or near square which is now in play this month and we’re going to get an exact one.  We’re in a mutable middle year so we have plenty of mutable energies about and it’s also coming into stronger play as we get close to the spring season with the Vernal Equinox on March 20th.

So this time of year, generally people tend to become a bit unbalanced why at the same time wanting to involve themselves in a lot of activity and, you know, going out into large crowds such as rallies is not such a great idea with a lot of that cabin fever that’s built up over the winter.  So we’re going to see more and more of that in the spring.  We’ve already seen plenty of it going into last week with the tense and sometimes violent reactions at Trump’s rallies.  The Chicago rally, of course, was cancelled because there was fear of more violence.  And generally what’s happening is that these mutable transits are causing a lot of instability and when you mix that with politics and religion, what happens is that you get a volatile mix there.

Generally, what’s happening right now with the Vernal Equinox on March 20th, we’re going to see more of the transits of Mars and Saturn come into play.  And these are malefic energies.  You know, people have a tendency to overreach, there’s a lot of emotionally charged ideology, of course, a lot of finger-pointing.  And so, with the anticipation of Tuesday’s major primaries, which William and I will get more into, what you’re going to find is more and increasingly volatile finger-pointing between people, there are plenty of people not understanding what is happening in the country, and of course to outside viewers in other countries it looks like a bit of a circus, which it has turned into because of unexpected candidacy of Donald Trump.

Mark:  Yes, and I just want to throw out there March 20th is International Astrology Day also.  And we’ve got on March 23rd Saturn making a station as well.

Theodore:  Along with a lunar eclipse which will occur in Libra.

Mark:  Yes, though I believe the Saturn station is on the 25th, not the 23rd, that’s my wrong there.  And then coming up in the middle of April, we have Mars in Pluto stationing on back-to-back days, which should be “entertaining.”

Theodore:  Generally, yes, Mark, we also have a Mercury Retrograde coming up in late April.  If you look at this month and the weeks leading up to the Vernal Equinox and into April, the increasing sunlight in the northern hemisphere is going to affect people.  I would urge listeners to pace themselves, as I always do every year, to pace yourself into Spring, and try not to get into the large crowds and gatherings and that sort of thing.  You know, try to pace yourselves with the increasing sunlight, of course we just returned to Daylight Savings Time, and be aware of the environment and the people around you because some people have a tendency to rush and also become emotional because they’re not able to handle more of the sunlight so quickly.

So that’s playing a role in what we’re seeing right now with the election and the primary season.

Mark:  Very good, totally agree.  William, you alluded to the rise of the anger and some of the other things we’re seeing.  Do you want to expand on your original message there?

William:  Yes.  Basically, we touched on the Jupiter-Saturn alignment that is occurring at the time that the Solar New Year will begin. Which for those folks out listening out there– it doesn’t begin on January 1st, it always begins on March 20th when the Sun ingresses into 0 degrees Aries.  And that astrological chart is a very good “general weather indicator” of how the year is going to turn out, especially in terms the rise and falls powers, of kings, of presidents and, of course, the outcome of elections.

So with the Solar Ingress chart, we get a really good idea of what is on the even horizon.  And when you look at the 2016 Ingress Chart, you notice that we have an eclipse that occurs very close to that time and Jupiter-Saturn square that occurs.  In mundane astrology, the Jupiter-Saturn square very much has to do with bread-and-butter issues.  It has to do with job equality, economic equality, jobs growth, and unemployment.  It has to do with those things that are very much in play now among blue collar workers that are now defecting in droves from the Democratic Party and voting for Trump.

Also, there is a certain amount [of blue collar voters] who will vote for Sanders, but there are just as many, if not more voting for Trump, especially in the Rust Belt area of the country.  And this is becoming a major, major issue now, simply because the Democrats really don’t have — at least the establishment Democrats — an adequate response to this development.  So it’s something that astrologers need to factor in because that voter anger is increasing [due to the slowing economy] and many Democrats fear that Trump’s appeal to the working class voters really can make him a formidable opponent in the general election.

Based on this trend, I believe what we are going to see is a massive, massive outpouring like we’ve never seen before at these Trump rallies. Also, we’re going to continue to see much bigger turnouts by the demographic of people that could be defined as “working class heroes.”  Actually, it’s more like what we are seeing is a working class tragedy that’s now in play with this election.  And this is something that the Establishment Elite for both the Republican and Democratic parties [and their chosen candidates] don’t have a sound strategy to deal with.

Now I could talk all night about the voter anger but it all really comes back to the economy and the fact that people are feeling desperate and lack a sense of future. And historically desperate people tend to do desperate things, both constructively and destructively during periods of change, pain, and crisis.  When you factor in and add in the Uranus-Pluto complex, which is the key fundamental archetypal underpinning force that continues to exert its power on the world stage, it’s always going to accelerate and intensify anything it touches. It adds urgency to the voter revolt that is essentially a working/middle class insurgency at play.

Therefore, I would say that any running candidate that goes from one extreme to form the [political establishment] right or the other extreme to form the political left is going to be the one that galvanizes the collective and excites the electorate, who then goes on to garner the most support and ultimately gets the most votes in political contest. I believe what is really befuddling many astrologers out there who are predicting a Hillary Clinton landslide in November (that would likely be the case if this was normal election) is the growing political insurgency that is now underway all due to the converging major planetary alignments whose archetypal forces are coalescing into a perfect storm.

Mark:  Very good.  I totally agree.  There’s a lot of stuff here.  I’m sure it’s been hard for all of us to digest all the stuff that’s going on, with all that mutable energy.  It seems like every five minutes every day there is a further development that’s happening.

Theodore:  That energy is going to remain for the spring until things calm down, going into, say, Memorial Day, Mark.  And then we’ll get a bit of a pause there, and everyone will be gearing up for the convention season in July in Cleveland and here in Philadelphia.

The thing is, let’s focus on what’s happening with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.  Right now with these transits, what we’re seeing is that Bernie Sanders keeps doing pretty well in the big northern Midwestern states, and on Tuesday it’s a good bet that he wins Ohio, even Illinois, and possibly Missouri.  And facing this, I think one of the problems that Hillary Clinton has here, even though she’s picking up more delegates than Sanders at this time, is that her allies fear that Sanders is helping Trump who is, of course, the front-runner in the GOP race.  If we look at Florida, we’ll see that Florida’s got more senior citizens than any other state.  It’s got about 20% in the population who are 65 and over, and they do vote, about 72% of them do cast votes.  And so that’s an interesting play here because of course Trump has plenty of past background in Florida, and so Rubio’s got to really make a good showing here but I don’t think he’s going to last past next week.

If you look at what’s happening to Bernie Sanders, with his nativity, I’ll just talk about his progressions right now. Bernie Sanders has a progressed Moon in Capricorn right now, which is making some stressed aspects to his natal Moon in Aries.  And his Mars, his progressed Mars is in Aries as well going into convention season.  So there’s some stressors here with Sanders most likely pressured to kind of put a tie on whether or not he thinks he can continue in this race.  But with this Moon in Capricorn, I feel that Sanders is going to continue the race and put more pressure on Hillary Clinton.

Mark:  Yes, I’d agree on that.  William, what’s your take on that?

William:  Well, I’m a lot more bearish on Sanders’ prospects.  I’ve been following his campaign closely and in fact I think I’m one of the few astrologers out there that’s actually been calling each primary on my website. I’ve been looking at prediction markets and using them as a barometer, along with the polls, as of means to make informed mundane horary political contest predictions.

As I see it now, I believe that the only race Sanders has a really good chance of winning on March 15th is Missouri, and Illinois to a much lesser extent. In regards to the Republicans, I see Trump pretty much cleaning up. However, it’s going to be a very close race between Trump and Kasich in Ohio. Kasich has the edge for the moment, again it’s going to be a very, very tight race.  Trump is going to run pretty much the rest of the field in Florida.  In North Carolina — Clinton and Trump have that contest pretty much down. In general I think it’s going to be a really good day for Trump, and I believe it will be a good day for Clinton, to a lesser extent as well.

I believe this race will define itself very clearly after March 15th.  Because it’s going to become clear that Hillary is going to dominate the remainder of the Democratic race and the Republican race will come down to Trump and Cruz.

Also, here’s the other thing — and I know 99% of the astrologers will disagree on this but I need to bring this up — Sanders dimming prospects to win the nomination. At this point Sanders would not only have to defeat Clinton in the big states such as Ohio, he would also have to defeat her in each one of the major states [California, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois] by at least 8 points in order to get the necessary delegate share in order to start gaining on her. Now keep in mind when I have done political contest horary snapshots of Sanders’ campaign with my students — and they are pro-Bernie — they see that Sanders’ campaign lacks the necessary momentum to catch up to Hillary. There is no way to turn a contest horary chart whose testimonies shout “no” to shout “yes”, and that is what needs to start happening for Sanders to defeat more formidable political contender such as Clinton.

For the listeners out there let me state this again.  Because there’s no winner-take-all states in the Democratic primary calendar that could swing a whole batch of delegates to Sanders’ side, like you see in the GOP, Sanders would need an 8-point victory over Hillary (54-46). More than half of all the remaining delegates are in just six states: California, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Ohio. In order to catch up with Hillary he would need to come out ahead in ALL OF THEM. Also, Sanders needs to rack up landslide after landslide, with a 12-point victory (58-42), in all the other states remaining where there are 70% white or more voters, in order to come away with about 62% of those delegates. Again, Sanders would have to win BIG in Indiana, Wisconsin, Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Kentucky, and West Virginia.

Also, Sanders would have to bring Hillary to a draw in those remaining states where non-white voters are very heavily represented. Even after all that, Sanders would still barely have majority of pledged delegates needed to win, and then would have to lobby enough of the superdelegates to swing back to his side between the last primary contest [in June] and the Democratic convention on August 13th.

Mark:  Right.  You and I have talked about this; I totally agree with you.  I’m going to convert some of those numbers a little bit for people listening.  So right now, the normal delegate count is 766 for Clinton and 551 for Bernie.  So that is a difference of 215 delegates.  Bernie would have to win every state by about 15 delegates per state.  And then when you add in the superdelegates, Clinton has a lead of 465 to 25 in the superdelegates.  So the total count is 1231 to 576.  So, on top of Sanders having to win every state by 15 delegates, if Hillary wins one state, that number goes up to where then he has to win every other state by 18 or 29 delegates.  William, you and I have talked about the superdelegates before, and I think we’re in agreement that neither one of us feel that many of the superdelegates would switch sides.  Theodore, what’s your take on the delegates and superdelegate counts?

Theodore:  Well, on the delegates and superdelegates, Hillary Clinton’s got pretty much the mathematical edge over Bernie Sanders.  It was obvious from the start when Hillary Clinton entered the race, her second, for President of the United States that she was basically not going to make a mistake like she did in 2008 by not seeing Barack Obama.  And so she went around picking up most of the delegates in backdoor meetings and that sort of thing, along with many of the wealthy Democratic donors. Going into Tuesday with the primaries, the primary states are going to be Florida, Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina, and Missouri.

I also happen to be an astrometeorologist so I expect to see a pretty stormy day, especially in the Midwest.  You’re going to see some temperatures out there go up 10-20 degrees Fahrenheit above average, especially in Missouri, Illinois, and Ohio by Tuesday.  And there’s going to be some severe thunderstorms in the Chicago area, especially.  Ohio voters are mostly deterred when rain persists throughout the day.  Those further back in, say, northern Illinois will most likely go to the polls because they’re not strongly impacted by adverse weather; the voters there tend to have a higher turnout when weather conditions are relatively cooler.  But these warm temperatures also show that this Tuesday, March 15th.  We’ve got a Moon in Gemini so that’s the windy weather there, stormy weather, and the Moon is just going to be coming off a working square to Jupiter and also to Mercury, and we’ve got a Mercury-Jupiter opposition on Tuesday, March the 15th with these primaries.  So it’s going to be a really intense day for those who are still in the race as well as the supporters.  And then after the primaries are over, of course, the Moon will make its ingress into tropical Cancer and people will try to calm down.  But do look for a pretty stormy Monday and Tuesday with these transits.  There is also a Venus-Mars square.  Venus is transiting about 3 degrees Pisces and Mars is at 3 degrees Sagittarius, so there are a number of mutable squares happening right now going into Tuesday, and it will make for a pretty emotionally charged day.

Mark:  Very interesting you say that.  So I’m looking at the current AccuWeather forecast here… it says 69 and warm but we’ve had rain since yesterday afternoon through this afternoon.  I’m not going to be surprised if we don’t see some maybe flood warnings if we get more rain here.

Theodore:  Right, right.  It’ll start to continue to rain, Mark, in Ohio during Tuesday’s primary.  So, the voters there should definitely expect it to be warm, it’ll be windy and it’ll be wet.

Mark:  Very good.  So let’s move on to the Republican side for a minute here.  I’ll have you guys throw in.  Theodore, what do you see out of the charts for Trump and Cruz?

Theodore:  Well, I see Trump picking up more states.  Ohio and Florida as well.  Also Illinois.  As William alluded to earlier, the middle class voters in these northern states have been angry for years.  And this sort of reminds me of the Reagan Democrats, what happened where Democrats sort of left the party and crossed party lines and voted for Ronald Reagan.  And what we’re seeing with Trump’s populism is many of the middle class and those also under the middle class have basically felt locked out of the American Dream, and so they’re responding emotionally to Trump’s candidacy.  It’s taken the media, of course, by surprise and what’s happening now is that Trump is the front-runner and is looking for the nomination.  I still see the GOP establishment looking for ways to stop Trump from becoming their nominee.  And so what we’re going to see with these world transits are a collection of a lot of brow-beating, a lot of backroom discussions, and so on, of course still raising money to try to avoid a brokered convention.  There are many opinions on whether or not a brokered convention for the Republicans would favor the Republican party in the race although the supposed winner of the Democratic campaign, Hillary Clinton, they’re hoping that they will see some kind of morass at the Republican Convention in July, followed by the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia, so they can basically use that as a contrast to entice more voters.  The perception problem for Trump will be what’s happening now where you see plenty of tense encounters at many of his rallies.  This hurts Trump in a lot of ways.  And I’ve reminded people that there had been paid provocateurs to go to Trump’s rallies to cause problems.  What you saw in Chicago was a pure example of that.  But there are also Trump supporters saying that, contrasting that who have shown their anger at people who are protesting at Trump’s rallies.  So what we’re seeing here is a perception problem for Donald Trump.  I know William’s probably going to pick up more on this.  But it’s not going to stop Trump from being the front-runner.  And it going to come down to Trump and Ted Cruz.

Mark:  Very good.  William — your take on that scenario?

William:  In my view Trump will win Florida and, therefore, all 99 delegates up for grabs in that state, and that will knock out Marco Rubio once and for all, and he will step down from his campaign — that’s my prediction — within a couple days or shortly thereafter.

Ohio alternatively is much harder to call.  The polls there are contradictory.  The horary snapshots I have been doing for the Ohio race with my horary students are showing a very, very tight race.  It’s still up for grabs no matter what the media says.  I believe we’re going to see more poll numbers show Trumps momentum to continue between tonight and Monday night.

Cruz appears to be making very little effort in those states, because he recognizes the only thing he can do at best is hurt Trump.  So he’s been focusing on Missouri, which is a winner-take-all contest, and also North Carolina and Illinois.  Again, in Missouri I feel Cruz will run a very close race with Trump.  My forecast still shows a win for Trump but it will be very close and it could go either way on that one.

I strongly suspect the outcome of Tuesday in the end will be Trump getting the most delegates, with Cruz second, strengthening the idea of the two-man race that Cruz desperately wants.  If Kasich wins Ohio, he’ll stay in to alter that narrative a little bit, but I don’t see him doing too much to alter the outcome of the race from that point on.

Keep in mind that the thing that is really helping Donald Trump, and this is something everyone, I believe, is overlooking — and this is also something that helps Sanders in Michigan — was the consistent mentioning of the failed free trade policies and protecting America workers from low-paid foreign competition.  That is really going over big in Illinois and Ohio right now.  And every time, by the way, when I watch Trump mention this, I notice his rallies always interrupted by these protesters. I agree with Theodore — I think many of those protesters, not all of them but some of them, are agent provocateurs paid by the oligarchical elite by both sides of the political spectrum.  And when Bernie Sanders made those statements about the same thing over Hillary Clinton, the anti-free trade message —

Mark:  For the Michigan primary.

William:  Right, in the Michigan primary, it really gave him the breakthrough he really needed, though they both ended up getting the same amount of delegates.  So it’s the anti-free trade message that’s breaking through the Rust Belt — that will be the key thing to watch for.  And that is not good thing for Hillary Clinton because she [along with Bill Clinton] was all for NAFTA.  She is also a supporter of the Trans Pacific Trade Agreement.  Trump also won in Michigan primary with a strong anti-NAFTA message, stating that Kasich voted for NAFTA when he served in Congress.  So that’s what’s making this race in Ohio so close.  Trump is stating his case very well.

Also, he’s got very good transits to his natal chart this weekend.  Kasich, is also in favor of the Trans Pacific partnership, so that’s another thing working against him. Also keep in mind all these transits are all culminating [as we get closer to the Spring Equinox], so to me it’s more of an indication that Trump will continue gaining greater momentum, greater traction, and greater voter outreach.  His support is going to continue to increase.  He is not fading away and imploding as most astrologers continue to pontificate with their “one-aspect astrology.”  Where they find one transit, saying ‘oh yeah, he has Saturn square Uranus’ and then they go on about his most recent controversial outbursts, or how voter protesters are going to derail his campaign.  That is so far from the truth, when there are multiple [benefic] active solar arcs and planetary transits to her chart that are operative now, indicating he will continue to remain the front-runner.  For Trump is changing the course of politics.  He is not just disrupting the Republican oligarchical elite within the establishment, but also tapping into those supporters who are very angry about the way government and business worlds have colluded, and who are completely demoralized by the Obama’s stewardship of the economy.  As the establishment continues to marginalize their anger, it only incites voters and today people are just furious with the system.  And by the way, if Trump fails to win, there will be more Donald Trumps in the wings, and also more Bernie Sanders to emerge for that matter. For none of this is just going to go away like most people think, and it is this [type of thing thinking] that is one of this biggest frustrations with the astrological community that continue to believe it’s more of the same old [general election], except where in 2016.  You know when we all saw Jeb Bush with his $121 million campaign collapse so early in the [primary] season, that was a big sign to me that something big is at work within the collective.  Something big major change is at work. Something much, much greater in scope then we have assumed. For I think we may have a movement going on.  Now this is not an endorsement of Trump in any way. For I’m not saying he’s the perfect candidate, or that I want him to win no matter what.  Not at all.  What I’m saying is that there is an emerging populist movement in play in this election that has an archetypal underpinning to it.  The astrologers should do a better job are articulating that archetypal energy. But no – many [pundits and political forecasters] it feel are just trying to marginalize what has been going on. This is especially so because the media hates Trump to the core, and dislikes the fact that they are no longer able to play king-maker and losing their power, considering that they will be irrelevant with the internet displacing them.

Mark:  I totally agree with that.  I’m going speak to personal experience to some of that.  So I’m sitting here in Ohio, and I’ve worked manufacturing jobs for many years, in the international shipping trade, if you will, now.  And, yes, the last 15 years the layoffs and continual closing of manufacturing plants, I think that you’re spot on that Trump and Sanders on that issue are going to destroy their opponents because anyone wanting to continue business as usual in the financial manufacturing and business fields, they’re going to get laughed at because no one is seeing these business-as-usual creating any jobs.  And I think both of you spoke a minute ago about people switching sides to vote in the primaries.  I live in Ohio, a large amount of my Facebook friends are in Ohio, and I will say I’ve seen a very large percentage of Republicans not really liking the candidates, and there’s an interesting ideological ballet, if you will, between Bernie Sanders and the Republicans.  Because a lot of the Republicans don’t like Bernie because of the socialist phrase, but on another level, he voted for the Audit the Fed bill, and I think for the people who follow that, that resonated with people and he was, I believe, the only Democrat to step across party lines to vote for the Audit the Fed bill, which in my mind brings down the house of cards.  So I’m seeing a lot of my Republican right wing people shifting over to vote in the Democratic primary to vote for Bernie because they don’t like Hillary’s failed financial and trade deals.  And I’m seeing the opposite too.  A lot of my Democrat friends crossing over, the majority of the seem to like Bernie but feel they could live with Hillary, but they really dislike Trump.  So I’m seeing a lot of my Democrat friends crossing over to the left to want to vote against Trump.  From where I sit in Columbus, Ohio, I feel that the poll numbers that are out there for the Ohio primary for Tuesday that they are very skewed as to what’s really going to happen.

William:  Mark, what do you think is going to happen in Ohio?

Mark:  I think Bernie defeats Clinton in Ohio.  And I will have to say on the Republican side I would have to give a slight edge to Kasich.  Now, an interesting thing that’s happening is with Rubio.  I believe there’s already been a backdoor deal done between Rubio, Kasich, and Cruz, or at least Rubio and Cruz.  Because Rubio came out and said — I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone do this before — he was actually urging his people while he’s still in the race to vote for Kasich.  Because they’re wanting to stop that steamroll, the Trump train of getting the needed delegates before they hit Cleveland in July.  So I think you’re going to see a big turnout, not that Rubio has very much pull.  I think there’s enough people that don’t like Trump and I think the voters for the other three will unite a little better than they have in other states.  I actually see Kasich winning Ohio.

Theodore:  Well, Mark, at this time Trump and Kasich are tied in the conventional polls, at about 33%.  To get down to brass tacks, this Capricorn astrologer is calling for a pretty healthy turnout with the transiting Moon in Gemini and there’s going to be stormy weather.  But in Ohio, the brass tacks are this.  Most people don’t know that in this primary, every Republican primary voter in Ohio is going two choices to vote for presidents.  This basically is going to add a ton of confusion so you’re going to have to sit and wait out for Ohio’s results to come in on Tuesday.  The ballots for the Tuesday primary feature two boxes for president.  Now, there’s one for designating an at-large presidential delegate, and then there’s another box for delegating a district delegate.  Now that came from the time when Ohio’s Republican vote was divided proportionately rather than in a winner-take-all fashion that’s being used this year.  So with two boxes at the ballot box, do voters get two votes or can conflicted voters split their vote, or do the votes for two candidates cancel each other out?  And see, Ohio never really changed the requirement that box boxes be listed, so their Secretary of State’s office says that both will be tallied, but the Ohio Republican Party says only one will count.  So this whole thing that’s going on in Ohio right now is about two boxes.  Again, one box is going to be for a Congressional district delegate, and one for delegate at large.  So you’re going to have some confusion coming out of Ohio with a Gemini Moon.  It’s typical of a Gemini Moon going on at the time when Ohio’s primary is going to take place.  This is going to cause confusion and you’re going to see a race between Kasich, who is the governor of Ohio, and Donald Trump.  And of course the weather is going to play a role in this.

Mark:  I agree.  This sounds like a “hanging chad” scenario waiting to happen again.  And I’ve seen the ballot, I totally agree with you.  It is very confusing; I can see this being a total fiasco out of this.

Theodore:  To further complicate this, the Republican in Ohio still have the 11 at-large presidential candidates, and up to 10 district level candidates.  But there’s only four — Trump, Rubio, Cruz, and Governor Kasich — who remain in the race.  And if you look at the Democratic primary ballots in Ohio they just feature one box, with three candidates.

Mark:  I think I mentioned at the beginning of the show, my dealings with the central Ohio Republican party being less than up and up, so this kind of sounds like a perfect storm to have chaos, and if you wanted to do something to manipulate the votes it sounds like it would be very easy under this scenario.

Theodore:  Well, the Gemini Moon that’s happening now going into Tuesday, there will be large turnouts, there will be confusion again coming out of Ohio’s primary on the Republican side.  So it’ll be a late night there.  And with what we’re seeing with the weather coming into play, the voters in Ohio are going to be voting in the GOP primary will have to spend a little bit more time at the ballot box figuring out what they’re going to cast.  So the numbers there are going to be skewed, hard to read.

Mark:  William, do you have anything to add to that?

William:  I totally agree with what Theodore is saying and what you’re also saying. Again, totally in agreement here.  I’m just not as bullish on Sanders, the more I keep looking at his natal chart.  Yes, I know all these astrologers out there see all these wonderful things active in his chart [with the Jupiter-Sun transit that’s now operative]. But I see a nasty transiting Saturn squaring his Sun right now, and I also notice that his Solar Arc Sun is opposing his natal Uranus. Also I see his Solar Arc Pluto opposing his natal Moon. These I must say are not powerful testimonies that indicate the crowning of a new leader. For Sanders I just think it’s going to be very tough for him to win.  I will be surprised, pleasantly surprised I may add, if Sanders does very well in Ohio.  I’m not saying he won’t.  But he’s going to have to over perform to do so, but I still do not think it will be enough.  What I mean is it will not be enough to make the difference when it comes to the delegate count because this is all a delegate contest at this point.  And although Sanders has momentum, I do not believe it’s sufficient enough to do the job, to set the momentum far enough so he starts winning the other six big states that’s really going to be required for him to maintain a competitive race and to win over the superdelegates.  Again, I’m sorry — I know right now as I speak, I’m upsetting a lot of people listening to this show – but I just do not see a Sanders victory at the end of the day in terms of what happens on Super Tuesday, and how it develops further out forthcoming primaries that lead up to the Democratic nomination.

Mark:  Totally fine.  I probably already upset the audience at the beginning of the show.  So anything either of you want to add on this portion, on what’s going to happen in the next few weeks or next few days?

Theodore:  Yes.  Well, what we’ve got is a tense spring season, especially this month, but going into April as well.  And then what you have by mid-April, things will start to ease up a bit, people will have had more sunlight, and then we’ll close in on the money portion of what’s going on with candidates.  The leading candidates who will seem to have won a clear majority of delegates just before the convention season are basically going to go back and try to firm up their donor amount.  And you see some confusion with that, with Mercury retrograde in late April through May in Taurus, of course a financial sign in astrology.  And then you find many of the remaining candidates trying to go into convention season already having nailed down their respective parties.  The interesting thing about both the Democratic and Republican candidates is that the delegates themselves at these conventions will cause some problems, and establishment is concerned about that because they will tend to be very vocal about their respective candidate and will not want to be disappointed.  So the energies pick up again in July.  And remember, both the Republican and Democratic parties chose July because of what’s happening with the coming-up of the Summer Games in Brazil in August.

Mark:  Very interesting.  I didn’t catch that.  I noticed they were a little bit earlier than they normally are, but that’s a very good observation there.  I did not pick up on that.  William?

William:  Yeah, I do want to add to that.  I’m also getting hit quite a bit by the astrological community, that regardless of how well Trump does, even if he wins most of the states on Tuesday and he goes on to win other states including New York and California and such, that there will be a brokered convention.  First of all, you have to keep in mind that many of the pundits making these statements, and the forecasting astrologers; most of whom are really natal astrologers who pretend they are mundane political astrologers once every four years when a general election comes about, were the same ones who were predicting in December that Trump would politically implode and fade away. Since that time, Trump has won 17 states, he’s leading the GOP race with 458 delegates, and he’s now 779 delegates short of the required 1,237 [delegates].  So if you look at BetFair or any of the other prediction market, they all vary between 27 and 33% probability of a brokered convention.  Also, during the month of July, Trump’s transits are very benefic and strong at the time of the GOP convention.  We also had the Chairman of the RNC made a statement last week that there is 80-90% probability there will not be a brokered GOP convention.  And let me tell you something, the reason they don’t want a brokered convention, is because historically, every brokered convention that resulted in an establishment nominee that did not win the delegate race, always lost in a resounding defeat by the other party.  One example of that is 1968 Democratic nomination.  And the Republicans are very aware of that.  For as much as they may hate Trump, as much as they are attacking him from all sides now, and as much as they are spending money to obstruct him and derail his campaign, when it comes time to nominate someone to go against Hillary Clinton, they will not want to have a brokered convention. This is my take, and I also posted Black Boxes forecast graph on Facebook, that I’ll also post that on my blog shortly. Again, they will not want to have a brokered convention and risk losing the election, for they would rather have Trump win than have the Hillary Clinton be the next President of the United States.

Mark:  Very interesting take.  I want throw this out to both of you also.  The last day of the conventions are July 21st for the Republican Convention, and July 28th for the Democratic Convention.  On July 29th, Uranus stations at 25 degrees Aries.  We all know what that Uranus energy does.  Uranus stations retrograde at 25 Aries on July 29th.  Do you see that showing up as any kind of surprises and what not?  I know earthquake and other activity is up around the outer planet stations.  Do you see that signaling any kind of surprises or shenanigans or something like that?

Theodore:  Well, on July 29th of this year, Uranus will station, to be exact — I don’t want to sound like Mr. Spock here, but it’s 24 degrees 30 minutes.  The thing about that is that it’s going to station on the last quarter moon day.  The Moon is waning down on that day and will be in Gemini, I believe, and the Sun will be at about 6 degrees Leo, 7 degrees Leo.  And so it’s sort of a winding down day.  This is coming on the heels of the Democratic Convention so you see people sort of walking around town, trying to take in the sights before they head home with a last quarter moon in tropical Cancer, following the weekend just following the end of convention.  So what we’re going to see is, okay, finally the conventions are over, the nominees have been chosen, people are going home and settling into the summer.  And you’re going to have that sort of summer lull that goes into August where now everyone is gearing up to save their energy for the wildness that will most likely return in September, going into the actual general election.  Here, what’s interesting is that Mars will have re-entered Sagittarius and by September will be well within tropical Sagittarius.  Jupiter will make an ingress into tropical Libra at that time.  And this is very interesting because Jupiter in Libra is where Trump’s progressed Jupiter is, rising on his progress Ascendant.  So I fully expect Trump to be the front-runner with the caveat adding that because of what we’re seeing with the Mars-Saturn energies now on one of the Facebook pages I’ve been posting on political astrology, I’ve been warning about the malefic influences of Mars and Saturn.  You’re starting to see some of the headlong, impulsive aggressiveness, emotionally fueled and clouded attitudes that are happening at some of these rallies, especially Trump’s rallies.  And just the other day, some people may have seen that someone rushed the stage when Trump was giving a stump speech at this rally.  So what we’re starting to see again are these Mars energies coming out, that some of the unbalanced are giving way to.  So it’s still a very dangerous mix going into the spring.

Mark:  So, not to jump too far ahead, but something that has come across my peripheral, is around the time of the election which is November 8th, Mars actually enters Aquarius on the morning of November 9th.  And about 10 days after the election, Neptune stations at 9 degrees Pisces, which is the same degree that it’s in on Election Day.  I guess I’m stuck on planetary stations for today.  When I look at politics and I look at Neptune, I see deception of some sort.  That’s just how my brain is wired, I guess.

Theodore:  Well, we have to look at the overall transits.  We have to look at what’s happening just before.  The election is going to take place just after a first quarter moon.  That moon arrives on November 7th, I believe, in Aquarius.  And some of the stations that happened before the election, you’ll see them take place, from September onwards, the bigger planets usually go retrograde during the summer time in the northern hemisphere, so Saturn will already have been moving direct, I believe, by say, the end of the second week of August.  Saturn will station at 9 degrees Sagittarius, and of course Mars will reenter tropical Sagittarius in August as well.  This is just after the election season, so going into that time, there will be some political rallies to keep people interested in the upcoming general election.  There are some interesting transits.  September is a very busy month, and of course October you’re really getting into the thick of it, so by Election Day we will definitely see some interesting energies going about.  And after the election, Neptune station that happens at 9 degrees Pisces, around November 19th or 20th is really related to Obama and his legacy time because the winner of the general election will then go into transition mode.  And that station of Neptune will really be about people trying to look forward as they’re trying to establish the impact of Obama’s legacy as he’s ready to leave office.

Mark:  Interesting points.  Yes, I’m just looking through my yearly handout I make.  The energy from late September through the election is, I’d have to call it dangerous.  An exact Saturn-Neptune square on September 10th.  On September 26th we have a Pluto station going direct.  September 27th Mars enters Capricorn.  October 19th we have a Mars-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn.  And October 29th we have a Mars-Uranus square in Capricorn and Aries.

Theodore:  Yeah, this picks up on what William wrote about some months ago, he picked up on the anti-establishment mood and the anger of the middle class.  And if you look back on what William was talking about and understand this, you’re starting to see the generational planets, especially the outer planets, transpersonal planets, come into play again in September.  There’s also the Saturn-Neptune square which is exact again on September 10th.  And of course Jupiter [heads south by declination???] on September 21st.  Mercury will have been retrograde and will station direct on the 22nd.  Pluto stations direct on September 26th.  And then you’re going into October and the energy is building up, again from the lull that we had over the summer time.

Mark:  The only thing I want to throw in here is something that’s interesting that another astrologer had pointed out was the last time that Saturn was square Neptune, where Saturn was in Sag and Neptune was in Pisces, was during the Salem witch trials.  And I think you can totally see that energy out there, where everything is Obama’s fault, or everything is the Republican’s fault, and just a lot of finger-pointing like you had both mentioned earlier and a lot of people trying to find blame for their woes often irrationally.

William:  One of the things I think the closest major outer planetary alignment at that time of the election is the culminating Jupiter-Pluto square.  And that does not bode well for the Democrats because if you look when Jupiter-Pluto alignments were occurring in the past, we often saw the GOP come to prominence, whether it was the general elections or the midterm elections.  So that’s number one.  Number two, the Jupiter-Pluto alignment has very much to do with international terrorism, it has to do with geopolitical matters in regards to power struggles in regards to trade wars and to foreign policy crises.  So we’re going to see that become a key theme latter in the year as well.  Jupiter-Pluto is also connected very much with the development of plutocratic political power, or the overreach of government.  And that is going to become a main issue with the electorate.  It also has very much to do with the rise of populist movements, that is also very much connected in a way with the Uranus-Pluto.  For Jupiter-Pluto alignments are strongly idealistic [in their expression], and it’s also very ideological. From this we can see a coming cultural and social clash with the establishment elite. What your most likely going to see is major class warfare unfold.  You’re going to see massive sectarian quarrels and political differences [from all sides of the spectrum] really come out full force in such a way where it will no longer be deniable by the mainstream media. So a lot of that Obama, pie-in-the-sky talk of “hope and change we can believe in” will be completely obliterated during this year. So [as astrologers] we have to look deeply what the Jupiter-Pluto [archetypal complex] constellates in regards to attainment of power of all kinds. So I believe we’re going to see probably one of the greatest political power struggles that will take place right on TV and Internet for all to witness. While at the same time, you see the breakdown and implosion of the establishment and power elite that make up the core for both the GOP and Democratic parties. Also we will see a major shake-up of the oligarchy and a disruption of its [transnational] agenda for they will not be exempt.  So it will not only be society in crisis, but the major political parties that essentially are puppets that answer and implement policy to and covert and invisible group that operates [and is known as the] Deep State. So again we’re going to see highly volatile situations erupt, without warning, during this election, and Theodore and I have talked about this often over the past year. Today I think we’re both holding back about this because we’ll probably talk about this at length and on a much deeper level at another time, but in terms of the markets and the economy, there’s a high probability before November, we are going to see a massive sell-off in the markets. First start with the bond markets, then the stock markets, then the currency markets.

Theodore:  Yeah, and I’d like to add to what William said.  For your listeners, try to understand that as we go into election season and just after it, we’re kind of shifting from the mutable middle years to what I call the cardinal climax years from mid-2017 on.  But you will notice with the Jupiter square Pluto which happens on November 24th, and then continues into December 2016, you’re also going to see Jupiter speed up and it will perform its first opposition to Uranus at, I’d say the end of December, the day after Christmas on the 26th, and then Uranus will station direct on December 29th.  These Jupiter square Pluto [alignments] are basically about, it’s like a sustained interval of struggle and corruption with existing power structures.  So there are people who are undergoing important and radical changes in their philosophic attitudes but there are also people around who are tempted to use dishonest means to achieve power and status.  So there’s a real need for strict honesty and integrity in all business dealings.  The time also includes this transition from power from the Obama Administration to a new administration that generally there is the government’s overseeing, looking at who is going to be the new ambassadors and what are going to be the policies directed towards them with the new administration.  The energies of the Jupiter square Pluto — now this is Jupiter in tropical Libra, performing a square to Pluto in tropical Capricorn — thwarts of tactics, promotion of religious, cultural, educational, philosophic beliefs, are a part of this transit.  There are people out there who either will perpetrate or be subject to religious, moral, and educational power plays.  There’s a strong desire to perform other people, which of course is accompanied by neglect of personal self-empowerment.  That finger-pointing that William has been talking about, it kind of enhanced at this time, only because we’ve had a polarizing figure in President Obama.  We have another polarize figure in a potential President Trump, and then you have the establishment and the anti-establishment anger that’s going on.  So I would suggest that listeners sort of prepare for this spring season and try to use the lull over the summer to transition yourself into 2017.  Some people are going to miss out that and sort of take summer into autumn and sort of be shocked by the movement of

Mark:  Okay, so let me be Debbie Downer her for a minute.  Do either of you see any chance of more than 25% of the population being happy after this election?

Theodore:  Certainly, yes.  One-third of the population is always going to be unhappy with whoever wins, maybe one-half.  But you’ve got a third of the population who is establishment, you’ve got another third which is anti-establishment.  And then you have the rest of everyone out there who is not sure.  William alluded to this with the poll numbers that he spoke about and this anger, this anti-establishment anger that’s going out has fueled a populist candidate.  And we’ve had populist candidates in the history of the United States, but they are always seen as a threat to the existing power structure in the establishment.  So we’re seeing that play out.  And whenever we’ve had this happen, we’ve had dangerous situations where someone could be shot and/or hurt seriously, especially with planets in play like Mars and Saturn this year.

William:  I would say that a minority of voters will be happy with the candidate who wins the election as president.  I don’t think we’re going to see unification unfold in this nation.  I think we will remain divided, between left and right. I also believe the economic inequality [and disparity between the have and have nots] is going explode by 2017.  Well…. let me just cut to the chase on this, and that is I believe we’re heading towards a depression.  For we’re already in a recession.  We are heading towards a depression.  The question is, does it become another Great Depression or the Greatest Depression?  What level of intensity will it hit?  And the next president is going to have to deal with that.  The newly elected president is going to face an uphill battle between January 2017 to the end of their first term in 2020.  So I think that the growing voter anger followed by a disgruntled electorate is something that just doesn’t go away.  People are going to want results regardless of who gets in office.  And they’re going to want to see massive action and relief [to their plight].  They’re also going to want to see some dramatic and constructive change, that demonstrates to them that the government is now moving in a direction that restores order that gives the people a sense of direction, that provides some clarity with moving forward, and leadership that has vision in regards to the nation’s economy.  And if they don’t get that, we’re going to see the rapid breakdown of the republic.  Because either we’re heading towards a major social revolution leading into some major reconfiguration of government in 2020, or an all-out and out bloody revolution. In my opinion it’s going to go one way or another. By the way, I know I’m not the only astrologer saying this; I know Theodore sees it along those lines as well.  If the next president, whoever that may be, is to be successful, they really have to live up to the representations and statements they made during the general election or face the dire consequences of social revolution.

Theodore:  I agree.  I agree with everything that William just said.  The reason why I know that he’s concerned about it because he’s seeing the same things that I’m seeing.  We see the current trends in play and which ones mix in with the overall anger that’s out there about the economic place of many Americans, especially the middle class.  If you run cycle transits for the transition of government after the November 8th election, you’ll begin to see as Jupiter has made ingress into Libra, it begins to come onto a — this is right around Thanksgiving of this year.  You’ll see that Jupiter is in Libra, you’ve got transiting Venus conjunct Pluto in Capricorn which is being squared by Jupiter.  And then you see Uranus making a square to the transiting vertex in Cancer.  Also there is that curious Neptune which you keep talking about, Mark, conjoined to the South Lunar Node in tropical Pisces.  Now that’s a problem because it causes some people to go into an emotional, clouded funk, which is very dangerous going into 2017.  It becomes an increasingly cardinal year of confrontations, people having issues with one another based on their political and cultural biases, and that sort of thing.  So the new president coming is really going to have to get on the ball and hit the ground running and that’s going to be kind of difficult.  I don’t see the new administration really coming into its own until, say, June/July of 2017.  And then by that time we’ll be a month or two away from the total solar eclipse which will happen over the United States in mid-August 2017 in Leo, and this will definitely impact Donald Trump because it falls exactly on his own natal Sun and makes a number of malefic transits to his progressed positions.  So the United States right now is a very curious state of affairs, and the eclipse next year is kind of a warning to the nation to sort of get itself back on some firmer footing and right now people are not on the firmer footing.  People are finger-pointing and they’re really going to miss out on some of the most dangerous transits in the last couple of years coming up in 2017.

William:  We talk about eclipses, and all these mundane portents – but to me folks transiting Pluto is opposing the U.S. natal Sun regardless of what natal chart you use. It is opposing the Sun dead on, right now.  By the way, if you use the Sibly chart, Pluto is on the 2nd house cusp or very close to — depending on what house system you use, it’s on the cusp of the 2nd house of the country’s wealth.  The 2nd House rules the country’s wealth, its finances, assets, and currency system.  So what does that tell you?  We are in a brewing financial crisis. Also, transiting Saturn is on the Ascendant. And you have a large Mars-Saturn conjunction occurring on the Sibly Ascendant in August, as Pluto is still sitting there opposing the U.S. Sun.  So when you look at these portents and all this things, Eclipses is just overkill at this point.  We are in a crisis!  Nothing is going to be normal for a long time. Everything is going to be just blown out of proportion on all ends, and on all sides.  There’s going to be a titanic clash of forces in this nation.  For something wants to die and break down while something else new wants to be reborn.  And it’s going to be very dramatic, and there’s going to be a great struggle that’s going to take place while this process is happening.  So for everyone to say with all these posts [on Facebook as of late], ‘what are you talking about, let’s get back to normalcy here, ‘ get real! You know, Theodore and I have been telling you that his has been coming.  Why are you all surprised this is happening?  Why are you all acting like, ‘Hey, I don’t get what’s going on.’  Its simple, follow the transits for what they are and realize there is no going back [to 1985 when all was well in the world].  Again, there is no going back anymore, folks.  We are entering the Twilight Zone.  We are going into unknown territory.  This is the collapse of America 2.0 [1900-2020-and the emergence, if we’re lucky, of America 3.0.  That’s what’s really happening now.  Are we going to get the leadership that we really need to make that happen?  I don’t know.  But I can tell you one thing — anyone who does not include and factor in the American oligarchy that is deeply entrenched and embedded within the deepest levels of America’s military industrial complex and central banking system and within the nation’s intelligence complex — is not going to be able to make informed speculations and conclusions of what’s really happening with the nation and how things are likely to turn out in the forthcoming years from the time the new president is installed in office.

Theodore:  And, Mark, getting to what William just said, if you look at the transits of November and December this year, I would advise your listeners to really kind of prepare for that Uranus-Jupiter opposition which will strengthen in December.  Essentially these oppositions, this one is cardinal between Jupiter and Uranus.  So there is a tendency for people to make promises and commitments to, say, friends, groups, and organizations that they’re going to find difficult to fulfill.  There’s also too much practical idealism.  Their relationships with unreliable and eccentric people who will cause trouble mainly because you have individuals who are having conflicts, say, over corporate money, alimony, insurance, joint finances, get-rich-quick schemes being perpetuated that have to be avoided.  There are unsuspected and unforeseen factors likely to upset plans and normal procedures.  People will have to set themselves up for major losses through unwise expansion, especially if it involves borrowing money.  There’s unnecessary travel that can take away from an individual’s time and money, and travel is kind of unwise, especially later this year because there are many unforeseen difficulties that can occur.  People and their friends during this transit, this opposition between Jupiter and Uranus are more than likely to be well meaning but unreliable and eccentric nonetheless.  And basically the Jupiter opposing Uranus is a sustained period of unrealistic social, cultural, and financial expectations.  So the cure for that is to anticipate what happens after the election, and again to use the time earlier this year, especially during the summer, to look at the holiday season.  The election will be over, we will have a new soon-to-be president, the old president will be going out, and some people will have a tendency to have expanded their energy, taxed out their system going through the hoopla of the election and everything like that, but then they’re going to run smack into this opposition and the energies that William spoke about, especially what’s going on with the markets, so it can be sort of like a double whammy.  And by that time, going into 2017, people have sort of exhausted their resources enough where they are not prepared.  So the idea is, for anyone listening to me, is to basically take a look, and keep what’s going on at an arm’s length, try not to become too involved and realize that going into November and December there will be some strong transits this year, especially that Jupiter-Uranus opposition.  And also the square that Jupiter is making to Pluto that William mentioned, people are going to get sort of locked into that.  So you’re going to see power struggles going on, the markets are basically very, very harsh.  There are people now looking to speculate and make unwise speculation because they basically were not paying attention to what is really going on in the world around them with the general election causing a lot of white noise.  So people sort of have to back up, take a look at the rest of this year and say to themselves, okay, how can I use the time now to position myself well for 2017?  It’s a very strong cardinal year, and there are many of these transpersonal transits going on, especially involving Jupiter.  Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto that are going to catch people off guard…

Mark:  So what we’re seeing coming up is a total reshaping of our existence, especially our financial existence, and the people we associate with.  William, do you want to add on to that?

William:  I’m trying to be a little bit over the top because sometimes if I play it down and try to be the voice of reason here, people still go back and they think, ‘Well, it ain’t gonna be that bad.’  No, folks.  It is going to be that bad.  Look, here’s the thing.  We lost $16 trillion in the market from January 1st to February 1st, 2016.  You have negative interest rates rampant around the world with the exception of the U.S.  Even Canada intends on negative interest rates, which is a slow form of bank bail-ins.  And now the Fed is talking about negative interest rates.  We see the deflationary global collapse, the failure of globalization, the central banks have lost control.  The central banks are run by an oligarchical elite who denies its own existence who provide the marching orders to the leadership of government including in the United States that have control of the major parties.  And you’re seeing a complete breakdown of the entire system worldwide.  All of this is coming to a head come this fall.  This must be factored in.  Now, I will say, right up front, the Democrats certainly have the advantage with this election.  But with everything that is in play, no one can say this is a Hillary landslide, a shoe-in right from the start.  This is not the case simply because as the economy continues to implode, it will help the Republicans.  It will fuel that populist movement that is taking place and is not going to abate in any way, even after the election.  So we’re seeing the perfect storm, a perfect culmination of transits and mundane portents all playing themselves out on the world stage.  And the United States will become ground zero for that as we see a significant shift in leadership.  The question becomes, does the oligarchy survive another day, or will we see a populist rebellion take place?

Mark:  Yeah, I feel that energy… Excellent points. There was something I ran across, I saw you put up a post the other day, looking to the 2020 election when you look at that timeframe, there is a Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto stellium in the late degrees of Capricorn and the week of the 2020 election Mars is in Aries, which is rules, and it stations while making a square to that Capricorn stellium.

Theodore:  It’s a whole different time.  It’s a whole different time, Mark.  I mean, when you look at 2020, it’s a different era.  The true 21st century is beginning.  2020 is the major transition year where the generational establishment is over for the Baby Boomers, and it’s also over for the oligarchy.  And what we have here is 2020 is the opening of just a new era.  So people need to understand that from now to the end of solar year 2020, we are looking at the waning influences of the latter half of the 20th century.  And I’ve been forecasting the arrival of global cooling to come, there’s going to be a new economic reality worldwide in the 2020s, and the old establishment and the oligarchy are basically either very old or have passed on.  And so this is an important time for Americans, especially for people who follow mundane astrology, to sort of get their lives arranged and to sort of be looking ahead to the next decade.  Much of the influence of popular culture media — television, especially, and online media, social media — there’s too much of what I call a Twitter mentality, where people have myopic lenses and are not really looking three, four years down the line, much less five or 10 years.  But believe me the 2020s are going get here faster than you think.  So it’s an important time for people to be asking some important questions about their own personal lives, their professional lives, and also to make sure that the groups and organizations you belong to, to see if they are really minding the near future as much as they may claim to be.

Mark:  Right.  And even at that point, it’s only a couple of years from then when in 2024 Pluto enters Aquarius and God know what that will bring.

Theodore:  Well, the Pluto in Capricorn that William talked about, the United States is having its Pluto Return.  So the Americans alive now are essentially trying to redefine themselves.  So there will be a tendency for a lot of Americans on the left and the right to try to understand how our Constitution brought us to this juncture in our history.  Most of that is going to play out in the next decade.  However, what we’re seeing of many of the trends now, the financial trends, the economic and social trends that are going on, is really endemic of the demographic and the generational change that’s happening, the transition that’s been going on for several years.  So as the Baby Boomer establishment begins to wane, and Baby Boomer establishment happens to be in the waning years of this decade, the 2020s is really about Generation X and the Millennials becoming the new establishment.  And we are going to be living in a much different world than we are living in today.

William:  Yes, I think one of the things I posted, I was sort of making a joke…

Mark:  Oh, Godzilla vs. King Kong.

William:  Godzilla vs. King Kong.  And you know every adult male, certainly Generation X and Millennial, has watched that movie over and over [since 1962]. But it’s just one of those things you [and most other males out there] don’t admit…

Mark:  I have the collection right in front of me.

William:  Right, right! And I saw that it will be release in the spring of 2020 I posted it [on Facebook]. I believe it will be released on March 18 or 19th, just before the Spring Equinox, When I looked at the theatrical release horoscope chart, I said, ‘Oh, isn’t that interesting’ – when they released King Kong vs. Godzilla, a 300 million dollar budget film, that will go into production in 2018, it will have a Mars-Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn stellium all within 4 degrees of each very close to Spring Equinox, when the Sun ingresses into 0 Aries. To me I look at the archetypal synchronicity of this, and that being the titanic archetypal clash of the super powers on a global scale.  For those folks who don’t follow monster movies, King Kong and Godzilla are considered the two most powerful archetypal monsters in modern movie mythology, representing East and West — Japan being Godzilla and King Kong representing the West.  And I just thought that was very interesting, and I believe that augurs very much metaphorically [the power struggle] that we are moving towards not only in this nation but in the world.

Mark:  I agree.  Very interesting there.  I’ll have to dig out my original version and rewatch that; I haven’t watched that it a while.

Theodore:  Well, Mark, in the 2020s, just a few quick things I wanted to say, right after 2020 passes into 2021, you’re going to see Jupiter square Uranus, Uranus will be in tropical Taurus, and Jupiter will be in tropical Aquarius.  And then followed by that you’ll get a longer square from Saturn in Aquarius.  Typically I associate Saturn in Aquarius with confluence of an economic depression.  And so the 2020s, the decade itself is going to start off kind of rough.  The Jupiter square Uranus features desire for freedom without responsibility, there’s too much over optimism, there’s impatience, there’s a lack of common sense.  And another problem we have is that after Jupiter passes the square, you’re going to see Saturn move into its place and square Uranus and this will last longer, and that’s a problem.  Your listeners should prepare for this.  The years 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, Saturn square Uranus will include unexpected difficulties.  Reversals of fortunes can happen in the business and careers of individuals.  There’s plenty of frustration in efforts for people to realize their goals and objectives.  It’s not such a favorable time for joining or working with groups or organizations.  There are plenty of problems likely to arise.  It’s a sustained period of instability and frustration.  So you can expect in the early 2020s, say from the first 4-5 years to be difficult, especially for the Millennials.  So there’s a need for people now to sit and look carefully, say, at the next 6-7 years and to position themselves very well, by not wasting the time that they have now.

Mark:  Very good.   So I think I want to have you both on individually when your schedules allow.  Theodore, I want to have you on and talk about your earthquake analysis and predictions because that’s a hobby of mind.  And, William, you’re very well versed on the disclosure agenda, I would like to have you on and go over some of that, as well as maybe some of your Vegas forecasting there.

William:  Absolutely.  You’re talking about UFO disclosure?

Mark:  Yep.

William:  Okay.  Very good.  Yes.

Mark:  Okay.  And, Theodore, we’d like to have you on talking about your earthquake predictions and analysis sometime here in the near future as well?

Theodore:  Yes, that’d be a pleasure for me to do.

Mark:  So tonight, I want to thank both of you guys.  I know you’re really swamped right now with all the election stuff going on.  So I want to thank Theodore White and William Stickevers.  Thank you for spending a couple hours of your time with us.  You’re both phenomenal researchers and we really appreciate the time that you take to put out your forecasting blogs and share great reading information with people here and people in our Political Astrology group and elsewhere.  So thank you guys very much for sharing your time and wisdom with us.

Theodore:  It’s been a pleasure, Mark.

William:  Thank you, Mark.  It’s always a pleasure.


Mark The Rabbit Hole with Mark Metheny features the latest in Astrology news and great guests from the Metaphysical community. Friday at 12 Noon ET on WithInsightsRadio.

[Radio Show Guest] 2016 Election Candidates, Primaries, and Predictions

I invite you to join me Sunday, March 13 at 6pm PT / 9pm ET when I return to Mark Metheny’s radio show “Mark The Rabbit Hole” to talk about the 2016 election candidates, primaries, and election predictions with Mark and astrologer Theodore White.

Tune in:
“Mark The Rabbit Hole” on BlogTalkRadio
2016 Election Candidates, Primaries, and Predictions
Sunday, March 13
6pm PT / 9pm ET
(This is a special edition of “Mark The Rabbit Hole” which normally airs on Fridays)

I hope you will join us.  It should be a lively show!


Previously on Mark Metheny’s radio show:

“Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show – July 31, 2015
with guest William Stickevers
U.S. Transformational Crisis 2015-16 [Part 1]
U.S. Transformational Crisis 2015-16 [Part 2]