2016 General Election: Astrologers Need to Quit Thinking that the Polls Are a Reliable Indicator that Predict Who is Going to Win

Political Astrologers: Keep in mind going forward in your political forecasting practice that 99% of the polls predicted a Hillary Clinton victory on Election Day. The RealClearPolitics average of polls one day before the election had Clinton ahead by 3.2 percentage points over Trump, the Republican nominee. In fact, the final poll from the Reuters State of the Nation project put the odds at 90 percent that Clinton, the Democratic nominee, would win decisively. Even the infallible Huffington Post’s model predicted a 98.2 percent chance of a Clinton victory!

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Both thought that Clinton would win the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

Even the omniscient FiveThirtyEight pollster, the great Nate Silver, predicted a certain Clinton election and had Clinton with a 71 percent chance of winning on Election eve.

Final Projections for the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election from FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver
Final Projections for the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election from FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver

But the great Hillary lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, which few if any pollsters had forecast, while also losing the states of North Carolina and Florida. She was blown out in Ohio.

Pollsters also say they erred significantly with their predictions of who would come out to vote on Election Day, because they based turnout models 2012 General Election (using the past to equal the future) based on the exit poll results that found that 38 percent of voters were Democrats, compared to 32 percent who were Republicans.

But as we all know by now, that’s not what happened.

Exit polls showed Democrats with about a 2-point lead in terms of who showed up on Election Day, compared to the 6-point edge they held in 2012. For 13 percent of voters told exit pollsters they decided their vote in the campaign’s final week, with good portion (70-30) breaking for Trump, hurting Clinton.

Keep in mind that nearly 32 percent of people in this nation don’t finalize their Christmas shopping until Christmas Eve. Now why would any political pundit or pollster think they would finalize their voting decisions any differently?

And that major oversight is exactly why the 2016 election results put egg on the U.S. polling industry’s face, not to mention most of the astrologers, as well, who used polling numbers over the course of the campaign for validation of their astrological forecast of a decisive Hillary victory in November.

How each county voted in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
How each county voted in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election

 

Below are five stunning facts about the 2016 election that most astrologers missed in their framing of the 2016 General Election and Forecast:

  1. The Clinton Campaign Promoted Trump as a Republican Candidate. Team Clinton promoted Donald Trump as a Republican candidate because they thought he’d be easy to beat.
  2. Sanders Had a Better Chance of Beating Trump …  But the Democratic Establishment Sabotaged Him. Sanders (like Trump) created a tremendous amount of excitement, with massive turnout at his rallies. Clinton didn’t.
  3. Trump Took the Overwhelming Majority of U.S. Counties. So, while Clinton won the popular vote – since the Northeast, California and a couple of other large metropolitan districts went for Clinton – most areas of America did not.
  4. The Numbers Show that Trump Did NOT Win Because of Racism and Sexism. While Clinton supporters frequently assume that Trump supporters are all racists and sexists, the numbers show that this is NOT TRUE.
  5. So why did voters elect Trump? Because – just like the Brexit voters – they’ve rejected globalism.

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Prediction:

The Mundane Astrological portents from 2017-2020 augur that we are facing an unprecedented breakthrough in the collective: a global change that will definitively overwhelm the unipolar world order created after the fall of the Soviet Union, and sent into overdrive the so-called War on Terror and U.S. military intervention in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, caused by the 9/11 terrorist attacks.  The unexpected and unparalleled victory of Donald Trump is the most illustrative representation of a major repudiation by the American populace of the so-called establishment and its transnational globalist agenda.

 

 

 

 

 

Presidential Election Predictions on “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny 2016 (PART 2)

Continued from Part 1
Transcribed from “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny.  Guest: William Stickevers (Airdate: October 6, 2016)
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Blackbox Career Graph for Donald Trump, August to November 2016

William Stickevers: Although the Blackbox forecast shows Trump having the edge going forward, I do think he needs to be [more] “Trumpzilla” the second time around he debates Hillary.  He really needs to be the guy he was when he defeated Cruz badly in the [former] debates.

The Blackbox forecast model is a system that can’t be modified, based on my or anyone else’s opinion.  It’s showing that Trump gains traction and as of late he has been pulling ahead.  He evened up [the race] by the 10th of September, and he will continue to gain traction.  It’s a slow but steady climb, but  he peaks the Sunday before Election Day, and then he drops slightly.

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Blackbox Career Graph for Hillary Clinton (8:02am), August to November 2016

However,  he’s way up there [and ahead of Hillary] if you compare the graphs to each other.  As you  can see, the closer we get into late October everything supports Trump.  So Trump’s support levels in terms of the personal astrological trends, the mundane astrological trends, the secular political trends, and the changing demographic trends are improving.  And the Blackbox forecast also implies pulling in other other mundane indicators that we’re going to see a record-breaking huge turnout this time.  And the mainstream media and  everyone else is talking about black voter turnout, and the minority voter turnout . But  let me tell you something else, white voters haven’t turned out in large numbers for a candidate since Ronald Reagan [back in 1980 and 1984] who won on the two greatest landslides of all time.  And that’s when the American economy was down in the dumps, as it is again today.  So I’m foreseeing a turnout as big or bigger than Reagan’s 1980 turnout  based all the mundane portents, including the Blackbox forecasting models, while most astrologers and everyone else in the mainstream media continue to  just underplay it,  saying essentially, “Oh well if there’s a big white turnout they’re going to go for Hillary.”  Nope.  No no no no. They’re going to turn out and for Trump.

There’s another graph on the Bernie voters in which they did a very extensive 6-day polling in many of the key battleground states on Bernie Sanders voters.  And I’m going to tell you something, and I posted this earlier today on Facebook —  you’ll be shocked — and  what it’s showing is that like 15-18% of voters in Nevada, in Colorado, in many of those key battleground states are voting for Trump at this point. Now, Mark,  I know you followed Bernie’s campaign closely,  and I know a lot of astrologers did, as we once had that discussion on what the Bernie voters are going to do come the General Election.  So this is some of the evidence coming in.

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For Florida, 18 percent of the Bernie voters — 18 percent are going to go for Trump!   And when they did these polls, these were people who were certain of who they are going to vote for, stating that they were 82 percent certain they were not going to change their mind. Fifteen percent of Bernie voters in Nevada are going to vote for Trump.  Ten percent of Bernie voters are going to vote for Trump in Rhode Island.  And seven percent of Arizona voters are going to vote for Trump.  Keep in mind these are people who not only supported Bernie but actually went out and voted for him.

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USC Dornsife LA Times Presidential Election Poll

Now, the kickback or the argument would be “Well, that’s less than 20 percent. Right?” But here’s the point: Trump right now is tied or slightly ahead in those states.  He is tied in Florida, and Nevada, and slightly ahead in Arizona.  And here’s the thing — Hillary is going to need every vote she can get.  Every “Bernie” one.  In fact, looking at this data Donald Trump is doing better than Jill Stein and Gary Johnson combined.

This supports my astrological theory that the Uranus-Pluto populist trend for emancipating and empowering the electorate [that Bernie also represented as well], and using whatever means necessary to do so is still alive and thriving in this campaign

So the question is, what does this data support?  This supports my
astrological theory that the Uranus-Pluto populist trend for emancipating and empowering the electorate [that Bernie also represented as well], and using whatever means necessary to do so is still alive and thriving in this campaign.  And even that disenfranchised group who knew that their candidate should’ve gotten the nomination is going to have its day at the polls.  So I’m telling you that the political blow-back is coming [in a big way] and many natal  astrologers may be really shocked at what we will soon witness [on November 8th].

With my Political Contest Horary  Astrological Dream Team group — where we do political mundane forecasting, and actually take all the poll numbers and correlate them with the  Vegas odds-makers, to make Political Contest Horary snapshot — working independently, we are coming to very similar results. I have an astrologer [working in our group] in London [Joyce Lambert]; she’s a great horary astrologer. And I have another outstanding astrologer working with me in Denver [Justine M. Rowinski]. We also have some additional astrologers on our team that just check out our work from time-to-time, and the conclusions that we’ve been coming up with are pretty much the same. What we’ve been projecting — it’s almost embarrassing to say — is that we project a Trump landslide.  And we’ve been seeing this trend developing since late July, and I have been going on to myself like “Oh, this can’t be true, oh no no no no no no, the election has to be a lot closer than this, this just cannot be true!”

But at this point, I do want to say this:  folks, I was on the Kepler College discussion panel as a  invited guest astrologer to speak on the on who would be the next president , and although everyone present made a great presentation, the one thing that I stated at the end of the show was that Pennsylvania will be the state to watch in the coming weeks ahead. Because if Hillary Clinton loses the state of Pennsylvania she cannot win.  She cannot win the election; it’s just impossible for her to win based [on the electoral college score card of getting 270 votes].

2016 US Presidential Election Electoral College Projection Map - William Stickevers and Political Contest Horary Dream Team
2016 US Presidential Election Electoral College Projection Map – from William Stickevers and Political Contest Horary Dream Team, as of October 6, 2016

So here’s the current Electoral Collage  projection map.   Now this map,  is not just something I came up with on a whim. This map projection is a result of my Political Forecasting Horary team’s judgment calls and work.  If you look at my website you’ll see we’ve been showing different permutations and changes of the map, but it hasn’t changed all that much since June. In fact, we’ve been very conservative.  Where we felt that it was to close to call, we always gave it to Hillary.  So we’ve been giving Hillary the edge the entire time, even though technically it’s something you shouldn’t do in forecasting.  But in the too-close-to-call horary judgments we’ve always handed it to Hillary.  And even with doing that,  we’re STILL seeing Trump decisively winning from an electoral college standpoint.

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And for those of you who doubt everything I’m saying, that just can’t be so, and in a way  I don’t blame you.  But realize, and Mark can attest for this and it’s on my website, that this method of who would win and lose all 98 primary races is 87 percent.  So in regards to the General Election, we’re either 87 percent right on this, or we’re 87 percent wrong.  So I really took the Political Contest Horary Dream Team to task, and I said we really need to figure out what’s going on in Pennsylvania. We did four horary snapshots based on different polls and changes in Vegas Oddmakers, and the result of every horary snapshot of the Pennsylvania race augured better and better chances for Trump.

But not only that. Let me explain something here. I really wanted to hold back and I didn’t want to say anything this early.  In fact, I had great trepidation last night about stating my forecast today.  I was thinking, “Should I really  push this Electoral College map out there”, ’cause I know I’m going to get a lot of heat from astrologers the world over saying “Ah, you’re going to be wrong, you’re going to be really wrong on this one.”  So I’m really sticking my neck out here.  But let me give you some other evidence why I think we might be right.

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It’s very important to realize there are certain key counties, there’s certain what they call battleground counties.  These counties are bellweather counties in the sense that they have determine how their respective state votes, and what percentage they get reflects the outcome within one percent of accuracy. For example, we have in the state of Pennsylvania two counties in particular that fall within that example.  Axiom Strategies actually looks at the battleground counties and does polling snapshots every month just for those particular counties in each Battleground State.

So for the state of Pennsylvania, which is a must-win state for Hillary, we have Luzerne County and Northampton County.  And Northampton County is so accurate in determining the president in particular — both Luzerne but Northampton in particular is always within one percent of accuracy historically for the past four elections.  It’s actually 0.17 percent accurate on all the elections since 2000.  And right now Trump is ahead by eight points.  That’s implying that we’re going to see a landslide in November.

By the way, anything five points or over in this state is considered a landslide.  So we may see a landslide in Pennsylvania, and I felt much better about saying Hillary is going to lose Pennsylvania after looking at this data. And again, if she loses Pennsylvania it doesn’t matter about the rest of the states when you do the Electoral College math.  Pennsylvania  is a must-win state; it’s her political firewall.  And Trump is there a lot. When she’s taking time off, he goes to Nevada, Pennsylvania, Colorado in a single day. The following day he goes to Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida, then back to Pennsylvania.  He’s in Pennsylvania all the time.  And the campaign there has now hit critical mass.  So not only is he ahead eight points in Northampton County, he’s also ahead in Luzerne County which has a phenomenal track record as well, within 0.78 or 0.5 percent of accuracy — meaning almost perfect accuracy in the past four elections since 2000.  And Trump is ahead as of today by seven points.

Those two counties is a really telling thing.  So right now, the math, the logic, the astrology is all leaning and leading towards a decisive Trump victory come November.

Mark Metheny: Well, those are amazing numbers because, I mean, eight percent is quite a difference there.  I’m looking through the map here.  So what I’m hearing you say is that it looks like it could actually be a blowout across the board in Trump’s favor, but you’re being cautious in going that far.  Because all the tell-tale signs and numbers are starting to point that direction.

William:  Correct.  In fact, one of the things I’m really trying to do, and I remind my students of this — I try and live by what I say — is not to “nowcast” but to forecast.  So I’m not saying, hey, well, based on today’s polls and what I saw today I think it’s going to be a tight race and Hillary will squeak by because blah, blah, blah. No no no no no!  I’m using all the different tools, looking at all the forward bellweather states and bellweather counties, and they are indicating a decisive Trump victory.  And  another thing I want to mention that really sort of puts the nail in the coffin is, do you know the three states that if a candidates is  ahead in [the composite polling] there’s over a 90 percent chance they will likely win?  Forget the counties.  There’s three states, historically speaking, since 1896 that will make you the next president of the United States.  Do you know which ones those are?

Mark:  Is it Ohio, Pennsylvania, and, is Nevada the third one?  Or Florida.

William:  Well, that’s pretty close.  It’s actually Ohio, Missouri, and Nevada.  All three have an outstanding track record.  Ohio and Nevada have a 92-93 percent accuracy on picking the winner.  So if you were winning in those two states, you have around a  80 percent chance of winning.  But if you include Missouri and Ohio and Nevada, you’re now well over a 90 percent chance.  So a week ago Trump was ahead in Nevada, decisively.  And then CNN claims that he lost some support, but I’m not buying into that.  Trump is significantly ahead in Missouri.  He’s slightly ahead in Ohio.  In fact, Hillary is now denying that she’s shutting down her Ohio operation, and her campaign team stated she realizes she needs to put her energy into protecting her firewall in Pennsylvania.  So, Nevada is still very fluid, but the trends are showing well for Trump.  But just the fact that we have Missouri and Ohio in Trump’s camp puts you into the 75 percent probability, close to 80 percent probability of winning the election. Which, by the way, is pretty close to what the S&P 500 projection is: 86 percent.

Highest percentage for varying lengths of time for presidential elections, 1896–2012

  • Nevada – 1 miss (1976) from 1912 on (96.2%, slightly “too Republican“).

  • Ohio – 2 misses (1944, 1960) from 1896 on (93.3%, slightly “too Republican”). Currently the longest perfect streak.

  • New Mexico – 2 misses (1976, 2000) from 1912 on (92.3%, “neutral”). The state of New Mexico voted for the winner of the popular vote in 2000.

I could list of the statistics, and I’ll post something there for your group, but  I don’t want to get too deep into that because that it can get boring, and it’s beyond the scope of astrological forecasting.  But for those naysayers who’re saying that it just can’t be so, trust me — the evidence is compelling that those three bellweather states are very telling. Especially in terms of political forecasters who don’t use astrology, they’re looking at those states and the bellweather counties of  those states. And again, they’re all indicating Trump.

So, I think the astrologers need to really reframe their position on the election,  and stop embarrassing themselves by saying “Hillary wins no matter what….Hillary wins no matter what!”  It’s going to look foolish enough for the media, but the astrologers have enough going against them.

Mark:  So I just just want to put in perspective, a little bit of what I do and how it explains the stuff you have to deal with.

So, one of my other jobs is that I’ve worked in sports statistics since spring of 1985, so 31 years.  So I’ve worked on TV and radio sporting events for 31 years, and I’ve started applying that to astrology, so I have a trunk here full of charts of all the pro and a lot of the college sports teams, and I look at sporting events and everything.  So just so that people understand how difficult this is, I would just sit for, not necessarily hours, but I will sit for a long time just looking at the charts for two teams, and you almost have to fight what your preconceived notion is of what you think the outcome will be.  So when you’re looking at a horary, or an event, or an election, a sporting event, you almost end up — like what you’re saying, can this be real?  Because this is not what the media is telling me and what other people are telling me, this should not be so.  So, what you do with this is very difficult because you can get into these battles within your own head, if you get something very different than what my rational left brain is being told should happen.

So I just want people to know the kind of stuff that you have to go through to come up with a prediction or a forecast that is not what the mainstream would expect.  So that is a very difficult position for you to be in, so I feel your pain. (laughs)  And I just want everyone else to know how difficult it is.  And when you look the chart for a sporting event and a chart for the two teams, and I can just sit and split hairs and minutiae for days over stuff.  And so, for something to show up this obvious and contrary to what the status quo believes the outcome is going to be, that’s kudos to you and your group on that work.

William: Thank you very much, Mark.  I mean, I’ll tell you the truth. Last night I was up late and I just said, I don’t know what I’m going to say on this show, because the last thing I watched on TV was CNN saying, oh, people in Nevada who were going to vote for Trump have actually changed their mind.  They interviewed some people who said, “I saw the debate and that was such a disaster that I definitely have to vote for Hillary now.”  And first I was thinking, well, first of all, the debate wasn’t a disaster.  And it wasn’t that bad to turn off every voter in Nevada to turn the polls the other way around.  That’s number one.  Number two, I find it interesting that all of a sudden they’re saying, a week ago they were saying the race is tight, and now they’re saying Hillary is favored to win. It’s very clear to me what they are doing.  I hear these statements on NPR radio that the second debate may actually put the nail in the coffin for Trump.  I hear these things and you have to ignore it, and as an astrologer and forecaster you have to look at the data and be true to it.  And, Mark, I know what you went through with Bernie race, where you start having doubt,  and you start thinking to yourself, are you the only guy seeing this?  So, yeah,  you know, I could be wrong, but I’m being true to the data, I’m being true to the astrology, and I’m being true to the secular trends.  And from what I’m seeing this is not going to be a squeaker election, where its  going to come down to Ohio,  down to some obscure county where 4,000 votes determine the outcome like it did with Kerry and Bush in 2004.  No, I don’t see that happening here in 2016.  That’s not what I’m seeing.  I’m seeing more of a 1980 replay, if I’m right.  Or maybe not to that extent but something much closer to George Bush vs. Michael Dukakis.  And, folks, remember, at this time in October back in 1988, Michael Dukakis was 17 points ahead of George Bush, and George Bush won by a landslide.

Mark:  Was that because — that was one of the famous debates where Dukakis kind of got put in his place, wasn’t it.

William:  Yes, in fact Dukakis won the first debate.  You’ve got to remember, too, Dukakis was ahead by 10-17 points, depending on who was polling, from July all the way until late October.

Mark:  Right.

William:  So there was a lapse.  And what you’re seeing now is Trump surging slowly. It’s a slow but steady surge.  Hillary’s numbers are slowly declining, not collapsing totally but declining, and they’re at this parody point now.  Trump has much more upward to go.  We haven’t seen his numbers top.  And classically, in every race to date, he’s a great finisher.  He’s behind or second place, and then BOOM at the very end he pulls ahead and wins.  He’s like the “dark horse” Secretariat.

Mark:  Right, right.

William:  Right?  He’s very much like a dark horse.  A dark horse always stays in the back, right (laughs) — people are changing their bets by the third turn, and BOOM — he not only wins but he breaks records.  And Trump has proven himself to be a great finisher at the very end of election battles.  He doesn’t always poll the best and then boom — he comes out ahead, and he comes out breaking records.

And remember, folks — more people voted for Trump than voted for any GOP candidate, broke the records by 60 percent.  Fewer people voted for Hillary than voted for Obama in the 2008 primary, when the population was smaller.  Less people, significantly less people voted for Hillary.  And so we’re being told to believe — and even though people — when it came to the primaries — people voted less for Hillary than Obama, and Trump got far more than Romney did, far more than Reagan, and far more than anyone did, and blew out all the numbers.  We are led to believe that Hillary Clinton is still as strong as a candidate or stronger than Barack Obama, and Donald Trump is a weaker candidate than Mitt Romney.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is no data to support that.  And that is what the media, and the astrologers who basically parrot what they say, by and large, want all of us to believe.

Mark:  Well, the proof will be in the pudding, they say, but there’s — I think it is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves will have to say it’s obvious that there is a disconnect between what we are seeing in the polls and what we are seeing around us vs. what the media is telling us is going one.  There’s definitely something not jiving there.

William:  Right.  And to tell you the truth — and I’m look at the polling data as well, you know that.  I don’t just look at the astrology.  I look at all the trends, I look at all the economics.  In order for Hillary to win the way the astrologers are predicting and the political pundits who’ve been wrong all along — remember, all the political pundits were wrong all along on almost every race.  They would’ve lost their shirts if they bet money.  And yet for Hillary to win the way they’re saying, we would need to see a surge happening about now.

Now that may happen, BUT that’s not what I’m seeing.  We would need to start seeing a significant, decisive, dramatic, watershed set of events occur in her favor that galvanize her campaign and have her surge in the polls, especially in the key battleground states.   And right now folks, she is losing momentum in the key battleground states. That much is clear.  She’s not campaigning at the speed  and intensity she needs to.  I mean, Trump hits so many places, he fills the place — 30,0000, 50,000, or 100,000 people at a time. The numbers are huge.  They’re bigger than Barack Obama’s was in 2008 — something else the media doesn’t want you to know.  And that is something else the astrologers don’t want to talk about.

So again, the evidence is overwhelming, and yet, many people want to pretend, you know, keep calm and pretend everything is normal.  Pretend and extend that this election is another version of  2008 for the Democrats all over again. That’s what the media pundits and a majority of the astrologers want you to believe about Hillary, all over again.

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Mark:  Right, whereas the numbers are showing that there’s something very different going on than what the media is trying to assure us is going on, which leads the conspiratorial side of my brain — which is actually both sides — to say, okay, is there something up their sleeve?  Are they just trying, do they have something in the works and they just have to keep selling it so people don’t question the results.

William: Well, that’s a great question.  I actually think if we see a Hillary landslide and I have to be rebuked by the 50,000 astrologers assaulting my blog every month, worldwide, it would certainly indicate to me that some other  X factor is involved in the outcome of the election.  Stating that, I do believe the American oligarchy is extremely desperate, because you have to remember one thing — in order for global financial reset to occur — which is basically pulling out and replacing  the U.S.  petro-dollar and the U.S. Treasury bonds out of virtually every bank throughout the world — in order for them to be swapped by the International Monetary Fund SDR — it’s called Special Drawing Rights, world money . Now,  in order for that to occur, a debt jubilee would have to be declared, which needs to actually happen.  Because all the debt worldwide is unpayable, it’s stagnating, and destroying the currencies.

Also, they can’t keep zero percent interest rates going. And they, the oligarchy, can’t keep negative interest rates going; they know the financial system is going to come to a collapse.  So the only thing they can do is pull the dollar off as a world reserve currency and swap everything out.  For all of that to occur, they need to have certain trade agreements in place.  All these trade agreements that have been in place, and the new ones that are even more in depth that basically take away all national oversight and power away from countries, allow for a new global financial system to take over, not only at the international level but the national level, at the municipal level and at the local level, worldwide.  One currency for all countries.  And in order for that to all work and happen you need to have to TPP in place.  So I believe Obama is going to push that through.  And if he doesn’t achieve it, Hillary Clinton must and will achieve TPP passage.  Once we have a reset of — once those trade pacts are pushed through, then they’re going to invoke global financial reset shortly thereafter, within a very short amount of time.  So they’re basically going to implode the economies, and in doing so they are going to recapitalize the Central Banks with SDRs, and the dollar and all the other types of currencies will be, over a period of 5-10 year period, be completely discontinued.  Then, once they have that in place, they can have global governance.  And that’s really what they really have planned, and that is a one world oligarchical infrastructure in place. But first you need to do the economics.  Once you have the economics in place, things like nationalism and things like legal boundaries and state boundaries, or national boundaries really don’t mean that much.  And then you go from unilateral to a multilateral defense system, which is sort of what NATO is, even though it is still U.S.-dominated.

Also, they want to get rid of U.S. power, they want to marginalize U.S. military power as much as possible.  They want it to be on parody with China and Russia, and no longer to be the dominant country in the world.  And for all that to happen, thing things I have just described have to take place.

This stuff goes beyond the scope of what we’re talking about today, and I hope we will do a show maybe in the near future, but the key thing to remember is that the oligarchy needs to get Hillary Clinton in office.  She must win at all costs.  Without her winning, the oligarchy’s plan and policies that have been operative and put into place and rapidly being rolled out since 1992, will be completely disrupted by Trumpzilla, because he’s not going to play ball with them.  He’s even threatened to audit  the Federal Reserve, stating something like, “and if  I see that they are in the red, I am defaulting on the debt, I am going to default on the treasuries, on the bonds.” There’s going to be a jubilee, that’s  basically what he is saying. Along with “well, you may get a pension but it’ll be only 50 cents on the dollar.  I don’t care because I’m going to do what it takes to fix the economy and you can’t have an economy that is based on a debt-driven market model.”  He just may do it.  Everyone knows it, and no one wants to talk about it.  He knows it’s either going to happen organically when the debt implosion occurs, OR he’s going to push the economic red button and do it the way you would in a controlled demolition, like a Chapter 13 model, for all intents and purposes, on a national level.  And if that happens, China, Russia, Europe, and everyone who has our treasuries as a core asset will be screwed. But he is Trumpzilla and he doesn’t care.

So the oligarchy’s plan for a one world, unified — where the SWF, the BIS, Bank of International Settlements, is the underpinning central bank that basically carries out the agenda of the IMF, where you have a one world currency system.  That just can’t happen if you have a Trumpzilla occupying the White House.

Mark:  Agreed.  And that’s…  I mean, I guess we can really only guess beyond that what would happen.  We’re beyond at odds with Russia over the Syria thing.  You know, if he pulls the plug on… (exhale)

William:  (laughs)

Mark:  (laughs)  I don’t even, I don’t even know what this would all look like, to be honest with you after that.  Almost too many moving parts for my brain, I think.  (laughs)

William:  Well, I want to say one thing.  Everyone says this is what Trump is going to do if he becomes President., implying he going to be the worst president in the world.  Well, I don’t know if he’s going to be the worst president in the history of the world.  But I do know one thing. After looking up Trump’s personal biography and his natal chart (I’m sure you have Mark — I know Theodore White has) that  whatever he does, if he gets in office, it will be big.  It will be dramatic.  It will be rolled out fast, and be implemented unconventionally.  The implementation or the legal means by which whatever happens in his term in office will be unprecedented.  And he always seems to do things in a dramatic, big, and unconventional style in his biography with his love life, with women – in regards to his wives, with business, with money, and his social life.  He takes massive risk by rolling the dice, and he’s all in with all his money.  And that’s what he’s going to do  and what we are going to see if he gets into office.  He’s going to see things as they are now, roll up his sleeves, whatever he doesn’t like he’s going to throw his atomic political breath on it and everybody better get  out the way. We have never seen a president speak and say, “This is what’s going on; I’m going to tell you stuff you shouldn’t know but now you’re going to know.  And you’re going to understand why I’m going to push that button.  And when I do, everyone’s going to feel the pain.  But once the pain is over, then things will reset to normal.  Then we’ll have real price discovery.  Then housing prices will go back to normal.  Then people will be able to see their wages go up.  We’ll see a country that begins to export, and industries that decide to keep whatever manufacturing here that’s left, stay here and taxes that don’t stay in Ireland.”  And those types of things.

So you know, no one wants to push that button.  “Hope and Change” is gone and a thing of the past.  Now it’s Trumpzilla’s turn, and we’re Tokyo.  And he’s going to do what Godzilla does to anything in his way and no one can stop him.  And let me tell you something, he’s very convincing, not only to the electorate, he’s very convincing with business people.  He’s very convincing with women, he’s very convincing with men.  He’s got charisma.  I’m not saying Congress isn’t going to balk.  I’m not saying they’re not going to give him a fight.  But he’s not going to be a guy who just walks away, stays locked up in the White House and lets somebody else handle it.  This is going to be a guy the astrologers are going to be pulling their hair out over because they’re going to predict “this is what I think Trump will do” — and NO, he’s not going to do that.  Not at all.  Whatever the astrologers write about Trump, Mark, whatever they write — I’m just going to watch for a while — they’re going to be flat out wrong! Like they’ve been wrong so far about him so far.  If he gets elected, they will be wrong.  Because they couldn’t even call his nomination correctly, right out from the gate from the beginning.  They’re assuming he’s just going to be another version of whatever we’ve had in the past.  And what  I’m saying here is all bets are off for everybody, once and if Trumpzilla gets in office.

Mark:  I agree.  A lot of people when they talk about Trump, they talk about that Mars in Leo and everything, and to me, the first thing I see is that Uranus conjunct his North Node, and Moon, I believe it is.  I mean, to me that’s the true nature there of what he is and what we’re going to get, is that Uranian energy.  And that’s why they haven’t been able to shut him down, and why Hillary and others don’t know how to handle him.  Because it’s Uranus.  He is Uranus.  Period.  I don’t even care about that Mars in Leo.   He is Uranus.  He is chaos.

William:  Yeah, Trumpzilla is chaos with a secret hidden agenda. An enigma wrapped in a riddle. And everything you say about him, once you think you have him figured him out, will just make you a fool of yourself because, he going prove you [the astrologers] wrong again.

Now, I’m not saying this guy is genius.  I’m just saying that he is a wild card and he’s got a lot of talent.  Maybe it’s misdirected at times, but the guy has got a lot of talent and a lot of charisma.  What he just pulled off in getting the nomination is revolutionary in and of itself. The fact that he was behind the huge voter turnout, and even if he doesn’t win, it’s going to be revolutionary in and of itself.

There’s no going back to the Grand Old Party anymore; there is no Republican party now. The Bush dynasty is over.  And let me tell you something, I think he’s even destroyed the Democrats, because he’s really exposed them for what they are.  In fact, many, many of the Democrats I know are not voting for Hillary, okay, or they’re stepping out this time around.  So again, we are in the Twilight Zone. And we have never seen a movie or episode like this.

Mark, you’ve got to realize, I’ve been keeping quiet, and just posting my stuff, and having to go astrology meetings playing it low.  You know I’m the treasurer on the Board for San Francisco NCGR and you know how many speakers keep coming there  to lecture there telling me Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, as if Trump doesn’t even exist.  Here is the most common two sentences from most of the astrologers discussing the election in the chapter: “Can you believe this guy?  Let’s not even talk about him and discuss Hillary’s chart.”  I keep hearing this again, over and over and over.  And from my New York City friends, it’s almost the same! Now, that way I’m speaking here today may be a little bit over the top for some of your listeners, but that is only because this has been pent up energy where I’m seeing something so radically different.

Mark:  And nobody even wants to look at the numbers.  They just want to talk about what their preconceived notions are, which I’ve got to say I was completely wrong on — if we look back to January or February, I was completely wrong on how this was all going to go.  I figured the Republicans would try to throw somebody else in at the convention, especially when they all came out, and when your whole party is against you as it was at one point, and then he still — the thing that’s hilarious to me, all the people that are throwing certain stereotypes at him and at his followers, they so do not see what is driving this phenomena, and they’re feeding into it, they’re building it.  And they don’t see that the more that they do that, they’re actually raising the chances that he will win, and they’re actually feeding the fire.  So, yeah, I don’t have a horse in the race between those two, but it’s a completely fascinating psychological study for me.  Because at least at some point I had to say I am wrong; what I thought was going to happen is not playing out that way.

William:  Mark, but you were almost right, and I have to hand it to you — you were one of the people who saw the populist revolution occurring, and you knew it was either going to be Trump or Bernie.  So it was going to be Bernie vs. Bush or Cruz, or Trump vs. Hillary.  The race we all wanted to see was populist vs. populist, and that never happens, that fight never happens.  It’s a fantasy fight.

Mark:  Right.  (laughs)

William:  So we don’t see — I’m trying to think of a good Rocky fight — we don’t see the Russian Ivan Drago fight Clubber Lang.

Mark:  Right. (laughs)

William:  They have to fight an established champion.  I mean, that would be a great fight, but (laughs).  And that would’ve a great election if we had [Bernie and Trump] going at it, and believe me, it would be a much closer election — if I’m right.  It would’ve been a much closer election.  So, we’ll see what happens.  I do understand that basically what I said is outside the comfort zone of many people listening to this program, and I’m generally —  I do this quite a bit.  I looked at Scotland, and people were saying, William, you’re going to be wrong about Scotland, and I called it right.  So, it’s not like I do this once in a while.

I’ll tell you one Political Contest Horary election that I’m really proud of.  There was a midterm election, there was an election between, the senatorial election in North Carolina, Kay Hagan.  She was way ahead, and the mainstream media predicted she’s going to win. I did the horary snapshot based on the polls and oddsmakers for the North Caronlina race and I  predicted that she’s not going to win.  It was clear that it would become a decisive win for her GOP opponent. And I was right, and many people asked, wow, how’d you call it?  Because I know this technique that I’ve been using since 2007 — and I keep tweaking and improving it — I know I can make valid calls, with 80 percent accuracy within 1.9 points within the margin of error in the polls.  And I may be wrong about some of the states, in the forthcoming election, but I’m pretty confident now that Hillary is going to lose Pennsylvania at this point.  And I know some people are going to call me and say, oh, no, that’s not what I’m hearing.  But, Mark, I have clients all over the country — as you know, I do a lot of forecasting — and I ask them would you tell me who you voted for in 2008?  And almost all say they voted for Obama.  Then I ask them if they voted  for Obama a second time, and there is a close split between Obama and Romney. But then I ask all my clients, especially the ones from your state, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and they’ll say, oh, no Trump.  They’re not thinking of voting for Hillary.  They’re voting for Trump, even though many voted for Obama twice.  My New York friends say, oh, I’m voting for Trump.  So, it’s my own unofficial poll from about 80 people from all different states who voted for Obama once or twice, but now,  are telling me they are voting for Trump.  Actually, two people said they are voting for Hillary.  So what does that tell you?

Mark:  That there is a monumental shift that is not being captured by the media or most of the mainstream astrologers or media of any sort.  They still haven’t figured out what’s going on, after telling us what’s going to happen for the last year.

William:  You know, I was on the phone with my mother today; she lives in Florida.  And that’s a must-win state for Trump.  And I asked her — she voted for Obama the first time, and I think she voted for Romney the second time, and some of her friends were split.  She sees what’s going on there with the campaign.  And I said to her this morning, you know, I hear Hillary’s numbers are improving in Florida, and she said,  “I don’t know why the news is saying that because  four years ago I saw Obama and Romney here, but now all I see is Trump.”  You don’t even see anything happening there with Hillary.  And she’s near the Orlando area.  And she says that everyone in her retirement village are all for Trump.  So I just heard this this morning, so I’m wondering, so where’s this Hillary surge in Florida coming from?  And she works at Walmart, she doesn’t need to work there, she just does it to keep busy, she has a very good pension.  But she talks to people, and she sees people in Walmart and she said they’re all in Trump shirts, Trump hats, etc. She says it’s like the election is going to be tomorrow.  So, that’s  Florida.  And I thought that was interesting.

Mark:  Right.  I’m seeing that here in Ohio too.  Probably three weeks ago or a month ago, we were saying, man, there’s just so few political signs.  I’ve never seen this few political signs.  Because usually once you get to after the conventions, that’s when they start going up, and there’s hardly been any.  And then in the last three weeks, there were Trump signs just going up everywhere.  We saw a dude with a big decked out Ford truck, he had it painted Trump and everything, and it’s like, counting yard signs and bumper stickers and stuff is not very scientific but looking at that, it’s like ten to one.  And counting yard signs and stuff, Gary Johnson is second.  (laughs)

William: (laughs)

Mark:  So, I don’t know, maybe Clinton gets people at the end or they don’t want to deal with the harassment or whatever they feel they would get.  I don’t know.  But just looking at yard signs and bumper stickers it is not split evenly at all.

William:  Yes, and you know, the fact that Hillary’s campaign is considering pulling out her entire Ohio operation is telling.  She’s denying it but this is what we’re seeing all over the internet now.  People are saying, yeah, she has to make a decision to pull out, they can’t keep sustaining the operations because they’re losing traction in other states.  They’re losing in the Rust Belt, and her campaign just can’t figure it out.  Because there’s massive underemployment and gigantic unemployment, and things have gotten worse in almost eight years since Obama’s taken office.  Not that it’s totally his fault, but the fact that his stewardship of the economy is no better, or as worse  G.W. Bush’s economy?  No, let’s not talk about that; that cannot be the case, right? (Laughs)

Mark:  Right.  Right.  (sigh)  I have to say, (laughs) for me, this has been by far the most fun and fascinating election, I think, of my lifetime.  (laughs)  I mean, maybe it’s because I don’t have too much of a dog in this fight, but I just mean, the people-watching and they psychology study has just been amazing.  (laughs)

William:  Absolutely.  It’s telling us a lot.  When you listen, and you see what’s going on, you realize that people are really desperate.  And I’m not saying that Donald Trump has the answer, because we don’t even know what that answer is.

Mark:  Right.

William:  We know that what he’s saying has nothing to do with what he’s really going to do.  Everybody knows that, too.  People say, yeah, yeah, yeah, he’s not really going to be build a wall; he’s just going to make sure the illegal immigration gets under control.  I mean, people say that.  People know that.

Mark:  Right.

William:  I mean, nobody cares about the fact that he doesn’t have to pay taxes because the tax law says if you take a loss, you don’t need to pay taxes until you’ve recovered from your loss.  I mean, that’s the tax law.  If you don’t comply with the tax law, you get audited, you get shut down.  The IRS does that faster than any agency.  People are not going to vote on that.  Let me tell you something, folks — putting the astrology aside for a moment — Hillary Clinton is desperate.  She needs to stop the Trump revolution in its tracks and she needs to make Trump unacceptable as an agent of change.  She needs to get it down in these next two debates that Trump is unacceptable as an agent of change, which she wasn’t able to establish in the first one.

She just sort of neutralized him, but she didn’t change, she lost the message on that.  Secondly, she needs — along with her campaign and the media along with the oligarchy all working in concert,  to keep people distracted from their determination to rid incompetent politicians who are ruling outside the [constitutional] rule of law, composed of a corrupt ruling class, a political class if you will,  that controls the capital and business infrastructure of the country.  So basically, they need to keep people distracted.

And the third thing is that they have to keep people distracted from the betrayal that the government, especially the Obama Administration, of what has happened to the American working class. They have to distract voters from the continued acceleration of the outsourcing and de-industrialization of the country.  To distract us from the loss of economic independence that America achieved by 1900, becoming the greatest economic superpower in the world.  By 1900.  You realize that.  From the Civil War to 1900, America out-produced all the countries in the world combined by 1900.  And by 1945 was the world’s greatest military, technological, industrial, cultural, agricultural superpower of all time.  And what is it today? A shadow of its former self!  So they have to keep people distracted and they have to keep this “extend and pretend” economic and financial policies going.

And let me tell you something else, folks, it is not the stock market. It’s the bond market, which is 17 times bigger than the stock market, which is going to implode.  Everyone keeps talking about this.  Why do you think Deutsche Bank is insolvent?  Why do you think Credit Suisse actually said today, oh, we’re insolvent too.  And Barclay’s said, we’re insolvent.  Because it has to do with all this leveraged debt on the bonds, and just injecting liquidity, and keeping interest rates at zero and or at negative percent level.

Keep in mind that you can’t have bonds continue when you have negative or zero percent interest rates.  And when that blows up, it’s the end of the banking system.  It’s the end of governance over the financial system.  So they have to keep the “extend and pretend” thing going and they have to keep distraction operations going, while Hillary has to make sure that she frames Trump as an unacceptable change agent for the country, regardless of what he says.

Most of the people out there are completely clueless about what’s really going on, I tell you. Many are living their little San Francisco bubble, or  New York City bubble — and you know what I’m talking about, Mark —  those privileged, entitlement folk who continue to act as if this is the year 2000 and this stuff is just irrelevant political posturing.

Folks, this is beyond a political posturing.  We have now is a revolution going on with this election. The question is, is this a Category 1 or 2 event?

Mark:  Right.  (sigh)  (laughs)  We could probably go on for another 10 hours here.

William:  (laughs)

Mark:  Let’s make sure we get your contact info with the time we have left.  While we have a chance here, tell everyone how they can get a reading from you or how to participate in your classes, tell people how to get a hold of you and what else you’ve got going on.

William:  Probably right now they’re all freaked out and saying, I’m not getting a reading from that guy!  The way he talks…

Mark:  (laughs)

William:  But the reality is that I tell it like I see it.  I tell it like I see it in terms of the context of your own life.  I provide solutions and strategies.  I’m not just a guy who says, oh, I think Pluto is coming to your Sun and it’s going to be a little tough time but you’ll get through it and call me in a year.  No, I’m not that type of astrologer.  I’ll call it like I see it.  I’ll provide you strategies.  I’ll give you insight.  I’ll get you out of your comfort zone to consider things you wouldn’t have considered.  I will prep you accordingly.  So don’t think I’m that type of astrologer that just leaves people high and dry.

So if I’m coming across in this interview that way it’s because I’m very passionate about what I’m saying and I’ve gotten a lot of kickback in a number of months because of what I’ve been seeing and constantly having to accept what the astrological community keeps pontificating, which is very contrary to what I’m seeing.

So, having said that, you can reach me at williamstickevers.com, or on Facebook.  Reach out to me, I’m very open to discussing things.  If you’re a staunch Democrat who believes Hillary wins by a landslide, that’s fine; I’m very open to what you believe, for I’m not partisan.  I don’t mean to offend anyone but I have to state the position.  We are beyond the point of plausible deniability, of extending and pretending, of just playing along with what we’re going to be told to do, pay out taxes, say nothing, just show up and pretend everything is fine.  That is over with folks.

Mark:  Yes.  I agree, and I think the next month will be fascinating to watch.  Kind of interesting that the first debate was on the day of a Pluto station.  The third debate, I believe, is on the same day of a Mars-Jupiter or Mars-Pluto conjunction.  But the second debate this Sunday, with the Moon in Capricorn and the Moon void-of-course.  So it just feels like there’s a lot of intensity on the first and third debates, and not that the one Sunday isn’t going to have intensity, but things that happen sometimes during that Moon void-of-course tend not to stick with people afterwords.

William:  I agree.  I don’t think the second debate is really going to determine the outcome of the election for the  undecideds in those seven battleground states.  I think, because Pluto is very prominent in the third debate and it’s making — for there are some very good aspects going on there, I think Trumpzilla is going to unleash his atomic breath.  You know, how at the end of Godzilla, you didn’t really know if he had that power.

Mark: Right.  (laughs)

William:  (laughs) Exactly. So I don’t want to give away the movie, but for those, we didn’t know if the new Godzilla had his atomic breath in the film, is  because he doesn’t show it until the most dramatic and most opportune moment, and then BOOM.

Mark:  (laughs)  Right.

William:  So that Mars-Pluto atomic breath, where the rage and the suppression — the people want Trump to nail her because she gets away with saying so much and she has moderators that protect her and she knows the questions beforehand.   But here’s the thing — the transits are really going to help Trump, and I believe Trump will triumph at the end on the third debate.  I believe that will be the moment when there will be “That’s it, I’ve made my decision.”  I also believe, folks, that something is going to start give  with the markets, and something is going to happen in the world, where there’s going to be a definitive crisis.  We’re already in a crisis with Deutsche Bank, we can’t go into that, we don’t have time.  But something is going to give and when those secular events set off, Trump is going to have better answers or at least he’s going to sound more convincing.  He may not have a plan but he’ll sound more convincing, he will do something about it.  He may not know what to do, but he’ll give the impression with that Mars-Pluto conjunction, I’m going to do this; I will do it.  And people will be convinced.  They want someone who’s going do something, because we’ve had a president, at least for the second term of Obama — you have to admit, Mark, for the second term, what has he done?

Mark:  Oh, nothing.  Nothing.

William:  Exactly right, nothing!  They want to see something dramatic, fast, and heroic.  They want to see a President that they see in the movies.  People want that.  And he’s going to act that out with “I will do it,” whatever that be, and I believe it will be with a brewing crisis.

Mark:  Right.

William:  So it doesn’t have to sound so crafted.  People don’t want to hear a perfectly crafted answer.  They want to hear something authentic, real, and be convincing that he really is going to follow through and do what he really says.  Right?  And once they’re convinced, they’re going to vote Trump.  I’m not talking about the people who’ve decided; I’m talking about the undecideds.  And I don’t even care about the California folks, or the New York folks.  I don’t care about New Hampshire folks.  All I care about is Ohio, Pennsylvania, I care about Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada.  I’m looking at those states.  Because once we know what’s going on in those states, that determines the outcome of the election.  Nobody else.

Mark:  I agree.  And that takes us to the bottom of the hour here, we’ve got about five seconds I want to thank my guest William Stickevers for spending two hours and enlightening with us, and we will have you and Theodore both back on later this year, early next year to see what’s going on.

William:  Thank you very much for having me, Mark.  It’s a pleasure; it’s always great and I look forward to seeing you on Facebook and talking with you otherwise.  Thanks.

Mark:  Absolutely.  Great info.  Thank you, William.

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Presidential Election Predictions on “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny 2016 (PART 1)

Transcribed from “Mark The Rabbit Hole” Radio Show with Mark Metheny.  Guest: William Stickevers
(Airdate: October 6, 2016)

Mark Metheny: Good evening, welcome to Mark The Rabbit Hole. Tonight our guest will be William Stickevers and he will be joining us shortly.  We’re going to do our final look at the election and the polls, where they are now compared to when we started this earlier.  William’s been on a few times previously talking about this.  So I think our guest is there — William, is that you?

William Stickevers: That’s me.  Hi, Mark.

Mark: How’s it going, my friend?

William:  Good, good.  Going great.  How are you?

Mark: Good. Just enjoying the energies out there.

William: Yeah, there’s a lot going on.  It’s been unrelenting.  An unrelenting summer, and the fall has just been going full throttle with acceleration, pedal to the metal.

Mark:  Yes, so I guess, first of all, I know some of the listeners know you but why don’t you give us your website and where they can find you and all that good stuff.

William:  I’m at WilliamStickevers.com.  I’m also listed on Facebook and I post many of my predictions there as well.  I can be reached through that platform.  As you know, Mark, I’m not only a regular personal consulting astrologer, part of my living practice is doing mundane astrology so I’m not just an astrologer who comes up every four years and decides I’m going to make a prediction on the general election.  I’m predicting on world events, political affairs, financial matters, economic matters, almost weekly.  So it’s a big part of my practice here.

Mark:  Good.  I know you’ve got a mundane or horary class going on right now?

mundane-astrology-class

William:  Yeah, right now I have a 9-week mundane class that is designed for intermediate to world-class professionals; I’ve actually scaled it in such a way.  And we’re covering every known technique including the history of mundane astrology up until the latest state-of-the-art techniques that have a consistent and proven track record of 65 percent or greater.  I think everyone is learning a lot; I’m certainly learning a lot.  Especially when you have to teach something, and articulate it and put together a PowerPoint presentation that’s not going to be boring, that’s going to build upon itself, that’s going to keep everyone interested and informed, and something that they can apply to their practice immediately was a big challenge for me.  But I’ve been having a great time doing it and I’m getting a lot of great feedback from my students who, also, some of them happen to be world class mundane, world class financial astrologers.  So it’s really great.  Half my class is international; the other half is America-based.

Mark:  Awesome.  So if anyone needs more details, is there going to be a second round of this class coming up?

William:  Absolutely.  We’re going to be doing it next year, and I’m going to include some new additional material which I could not include in this one because it required more prep time.  Also, in these classes, especially in this one, we are having in a couple weeks our guest lecturer is Theodore White who is going to go over the fundamentals of weather forecasting with the class.  So he’s going to run that class and I’m just going to be participating and listening and learning.  So we’re very excited about that; we’re all big fans of Theodore.  I know you are as well.  And in the future I’m going to include some other people to maybe talk about earthquake prediction, volcano prediction, people with those specialties.

As you know, my specialty is more political and economics; that seems to be where I’m drawn and focused to and pulled toward, actually.  But mundane is such a broad, broad subject; it covers so many things and it’s very fascinating.  Unfortunately, the word is “mundane”, which means something very contemporary, boring, ordinary.  But mundane astrology is quite the opposite, quite different than what the title suggests.  And I know my students, many of them have taken personal astrology pretty far.  Many of them who are intermediates and even dabbling or considering doing a full-time practice have realized, ‘I don’t think I can do too much more with personal astrology or psychological astrology; I need to broaden my understanding, my world view’ and they thought learning mundane was a great way for this to happen.  So because it broadens their perspective and so they can understand there are other forces outside the personal sphere of influence that are actually having an impact in people’s decision-making, and that is something that — I think we’ve had many discussions about this on other shows, and I know we’ve talked about this one-to-one — is something that’s really marginalized and overlooked or not even discussed in natal astrology.

Mark:  Yes, yes, people are often stunned when I tell them that I have charts of all the professional sports teams and all the countries and that it’s not just looking at a person’s horoscope or birth chart but that government agencies have charts, restaurants that you eat at have charts, every business has a chart.  So people are usually surprised when I tell them that and so it’s not just the workings of your chart that you can look at but you can look at events and elections, sporting events, whatever, and see how there’s different energies playing and there’s charts for the specific events too.  And I think people, especially the astrology naysayers are surprised that it’s not just fluffy unicorns and “stay away from Virgos today” and that kind of stuff.  I think that catches people off-guard when they know how much detail you can go into.

William:  Absolutely.  And you know, what I find amazing is– there’re two types of people outside of astrology in terms of mundane.  Many people find it fascinating when you can talk with such authority and detail looking at history backwards for justification of planetary alignments with events that changed the course, game-changing events or watershed events in history, and then talking about the future in a very informed, detailed way and how the future is actually impacting and informing the present.  And then so there’s that group who is really fascinated, and there’s another group of people out there who are really threatened by it.  I mean really threatened by it, almost as if you were talking about Bernie [Sanders] to a rabid George Bush supporter.  So it goes one way or the other.

Now, what I find interesting about astrology is that many people who do natal, non-predictive natal astrology, many of them who are practicing psychotherapists or MSW workers, they are very ambivalent about really stating their opinion [on mundane astrology].  In fact, when you go to these [astrology] conferences, you see the rooms for sun sign astrology lectures filled up and packed to the brink.  Secondary progressions, you can’t get a waiting seat.  Come to big transits, forget about it — you’re going to have to find an alternative track for the 2 o’clock period.  But mundane is only, what, like 10-15 people there with a room that could fill 50.  And I just find this really fascinating.

It’s actually disconcerting to me and I just don’t understand what’s going on with the body-politic of astrologers these days when there’s so much going on in the world, that everything is being turned upside-down, inside-out, economically, politically, socially, on every level.  And yet, the astrology world —  you know, Mark.  I’ve been to all these conferences since the early ’90s; it’s not like I’m not in the know.  I know.  I know all these top speakers; they know me on a first-name basis.  So here’s the thing: the astrologers in general, as a group — and I’m not pointing anyone out in particular — are not keeping up with the bigger trends.  They just seem to be disengaged and disinterested.  And maybe there was a reason for that, because it was “stick it to the man”, “who cares about what’s going on”, right, maybe that hippie/Baby Boomer attitude and world view was responsible for that.

But today that’s obsolete.  We’ve gotten past the point of plausible deniability.  Things are really not going right in so many ways, which I know we’re going to discuss.  So I think it’s fascinating that a lot of people in the astrology world, there’s a small but growing minority of people getting drawn into mundane.  Even if they don’t plan to make mundane their living practice, they want to know what it’s about, what it has to say, how mundane archetypal portents influence the archetypal landscape and shape and inform the world stage.  So they think it’s important now because they see something is going on and it’s very upsetting, frightening.  In fact, for all intents and purposes, we’re in the Twilight Zone.

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Mark:  I agree.  One of the things to me is that astrology is several thousand years old.  I mean, to me one of our jobs is to keep it evolving and moving forward and keep testing ideas and make sure that Uranus, Aquarius rules astrology, so we need to keep that evolving and I just think, I run across a lot of ideology where they just want to keep it stuck or back into the old ideas and concepts without developing it any.  And so to me the predicting earthquakes, tsunamis, earth changes, and things is one of the most relevant and helpful things we can do to help keep evolving astrology.

And also, I’ve seen a few comments where someone like you will, say, has made some predictions, and people get upset and say “oh, so you want this to happen” and it startles me that some people are not able to look past their personal preferences or how they would like things to turn out, and they just try to bend things to what their preconceived idea is.  And I think this election has been a great example of this because it’s not gone at all how I expected.  But I think you’re one of the few people who’s had your finger really on the pulse of what’s been happening and not been blinded by their preconceptions.  So, kudos to you on that one.

William:  Oh, thank you very much.  I appreciate that.  And you know, I tell you something, one of the things I teach my students is that we need to be nonpartisan and independent in our thinking, in our viewpoints.  Let the testimonies speak for themselves.  If we are weighing them properly and we are being as objective as we can — and it’s very difficult to do that — but if we do that, we’re going to be within about the 80th percentile of accuracy.  We’re not always going to be right, and nobody is.

Just keep in mind that the greatest stock market trader Bill Gross — he’s one of the best bond traders in the world — is only right 53 percent of the time.  You only need to be right 53 percent of the time in order to make billions of dollars in the stock market, to have it all, to have your cake and eat it too on Wall Street.  And you know, 53 percent is a landslide in politics.

So, you know, the expectation of the mainstream media experts and critics of astrology out there is like, “no, unless it’s 99.9999999 percent, this doesn’t work.”  You could be 80 percent, “nope, still doesn’t cut it.”

So, I’m telling people here and my students, stick with the astrology.  If you want to make an argument or a speculation that a certain thing will manifest in such a way, you need to prove it out with me.  You need to show me multiple testimonies, multiple techniques.  You can’t just say one thing.  You have to layer it and build it up.  You have to think vertically here,  meaning you can’t just say a one-testimony, one-chart, one-transit approach does all, says all, is all.  And that’s basically what we’ve been fed, at least I know I’ve been fed for the past 30 years.

And you know, the only reason I’ve been more on the pulse of the election is because I’ve been just looking at the mundane portents and I’ve known — and this is something that Theodore White and I discussed back this time last year — we knew it was going to be an establishment candidate backed by the American oligarchical elite, that would be [Jeb] Bush or Hillary Clinton, versus a populist candidate.  So we eliminated very early on that [Jeb] Bush would be the nominee.  And we also eliminated that Bernie would be the nominee.  So we knew that it would be Hillary versus a Uranus-Pluto dark horse candidate that was going to turn everything upside-down, inside-out, destroy the body-politic of the nation.  And that’s why we — well, I certainly came to the conclusion first, and Theodore followed up shortly thereafter, came to the conclusion that it was going to be Trump.  And Trump is the beginning of the first phase, or a category one social revolution.  This is not just another election like 99 percent of the astrologers — and I’m going to keep saying that, I know that’s a lot of people — but 99 percent of the astrologers kept framing it as another Bush-Gore election 2000, except on steroids.  No! No! No! No! NO! This is not just another election.  We’re seeing [the first phase of] a social revolution.

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Just the fact of what had to happen in order for Trump to be the nominee.  The fact that Hillary Clinton technically lost that campaign and is still the nominee, has completely medically collapsed and wasn’t disqualified after she was medically diagnosed with pneumonia is just startling. Also, we are seeing the populist rise, the populist or the nationalist versus the Establishment and the Oligarchy.  This is a collision, a titanic collision of an immovable object with an unstoppable force, and they’re colliding here [in 2016].  This is just the beginning of things to come, folks!

I know you are aware of this, Mark, but I’m just talking here to your audience here.  It’s just the beginning….and you haven’t seen nothing yet.  This is just a prelude.  And I proved this out in my Mundane Astrology class. My students have recently come to understand the rules [of analysis] behind ingress charts, eclipses, and other mundane [astrology] rules. I asked them if you just look at [and apply] the rules and assume nothing else, does it tell you that the party in power or the establishment in power, [minus the oligarchical dimension behind who is really running the government,] will remain or stay in power?  Is that likely, more or less?  And most everyone in class was in general agreement, stating “yeah, you’re right, I hate to say it,” but it looks like the party in power or the [party that is the] facade of the establishment is NOT likely to stay in power. Now having said that, does that mean that Trump instantly wins?  No, it doesn’t.  But it means that right from the outset the party in power – the Democrats had a structural problem, from a mundane perspective.  A structural problem.

Mark:  Yeah, right, right, I agree because it was going back to the 2008 elections which was, I believe shortly after, I think Uranus had just entered Aries if I’m not mistaken, and so it was kind of obvious who the Uranian candidate was at that point.

William:  Yeah, and the other thing too is that the Civil Rights Movement occurred in the 1960s.  From ’62 to ’72 the Civil Rights Movement really unfolded and was one of the game-changing socio-political developments in the nation.  And that had to do with the Uranus-Pluto conjunction, and then [in 2008] you had the approaching Uranus-Pluto square and the rise of Barack Obama who as a black candidate who was born during the emergence of the Uranus-Pluto conjunction and was an ideal expression for that Uranus-Pluto energy that began to manifest in 2008.

But unfortunately he didn’t quite live up to the energy. I mean, he got the job, he got the position because of the energy that was constellating for hope and change you can believe in, right, but it didn’t quite turn out that way.  In fact, I would say that — and again this is going to upset a lot of people — that Barack Obama is essentially an establishment candidate, and establishment president who had the backing and the support of America’s Oligarchical Elite. Also, he carries out that oligarchical agenda that essentially sets the policy for this nation and other nations abroad, domestically, internationally, and financially. And he basically rubber stamps their globalist agenda into policy, and he is really no different than his predecessor G.W. Bush.

Mark:  Yeah, I have to agree with that.  And you’re right, that’s probably going to ruffle a lot of feathers and I’ve gotten into many discussions like that.  But the thing that I look at is, regardless of what party is in power, does the advancement of the One State, the oligarchy agenda keep moving forward?  I mean, Obama said he would get rid of NAFTA.  I, until recently, had to cover the local newspaper right before the 2008 election he was here in Columbus, Ohio, where I was, and his main topic was getting rid of NAFTA.  And now eight years later, not only have we not gotten rid of NAFTA, but now we’re going to cram the TPP down people’s throats.

So, it just doesn’t, nothing ever goes in our favor.  It always goes towards the One World Government and no matter who the president is or who the candidates are or what they look like of where they’re from or what creed or nationality, whoever gets in there advances that agenda.

William:  Correct.  I totally agree.  It’s certainly been that case since the assassination of John F. Kennedy, which was basically a coup d’état for all intents and purposes, and that’s pretty much been proven out [in a Congressional Investigation in the 1970s] that there was a conspiracy, and it was never followed up and investigated with.

But what we see now with this Uranus-Pluto still very active, that is the rise of a dark horse candidate which, as you know, that a majority of the mundane astrology world and most of the astrology world in general just refuses to come to terms with.  And it has to do with Trump’s brazen style and character.

In fact, I was joking around for a long time using the term “Trumpzilla” because whoever gets in his way, he just seems to pulverize them [with his “atomic breath”]. In fact, the harder the media hits him, the stronger he gets in the polls.  In fact, [recently] CNN jokingly pushed up an image of Godzilla with Trump, calling him “Trumpzilla”. I took a snapshot and posted it.

Mark:  I saw that.

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William:  Yeah.  And so, I’ve been calling him Trumpzilla and I’ve been writing “Trumpzilla is the Uranus-Pluto dark horse candidate that the astrology world refuses to come to terms with” and needs to wake up about.  They really need to wake up to the reality of what Trump represents.

I’m not talking about Donald Trump the Candidate and what he says.  I’m talking about the impact he’s having and how he is constellating by activating the suppressed rage in the country on a collective level, which has reached a neurotic level of intensity, bordering on psychosis, as the archetypal energy continues to change, accelerate, and intensify.  Trump is playing this out perfectly.  He’s breaking every [political] rule.  The more outrageous he is — meaning, the he continues proposing extreme solutions, which was very Uranus-Pluto, the stronger his support gets. We knew Bernie was doing that as well, but Trump takes the cake.

Also, you’ve got to realize too, folks — and I’m going to remind everyone listening here, because we just take the assumption that Trump was going to be the nominee so what’s the big deal?”  Right? In fact, that is not that’s not the case at all.  Keep in mind that when Trumpzilla announced he was going to run for president, almost every political pundit and almost every astrologer for that matter, stated that he would politically implode and fade away and kept stating that all the way into mid-March.  You know what I’m talking about, Mark, right?

Mark:  Yep, absolutely.  And even, I mean, it was so crazy even I wasn’t quite sure.  I was like, “Is this going to end at some point?”  But you’re right, you kept just moving forward with “you guys aren’t looking at the energy, you’re trying to force your preconceived notions” — which I was doing a little bit too, and as the groundswell kept happening, I thought “Oh my gosh, William’s right; he’s tapped into this.”

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William:  Well, let me finish this because I just wanted your confirmation because some people think I just make this up and I’m trying to grand stand and pat myself on the back.  And you know that’s not the case, because I know you’ve been following my work and I’m really very grateful that I’m here to speak on your show about it.

The thing is that when Trumpzilla started piling up the victories in the primaries, the very same pundits and astrologers stated he would never get the GOP nomination.  And I remember the astrologers saying, “Okay, William, you were right this time, BUT he’s never going to get the nomination, they’ll never give it to him, they’re going to break the rules, they’re going to rob him, [and besides] he’ll never get the delegates.”  And then when Trumpzilla won the GOP nomination, many of his critics warned that if he ended up on the November ballot he would get blown out by Hillary Clinton and take out scores of Republicans running for the House and Senate with him, meaning it would be a complete disaster on the ticket.  In fact, just the other day, the great political forecaster Damon Linker, a senior correspondent at TheWeek.com, along with several other astrologers who were loosely quoting from him said, “Trump isn’t merely going to lose; he’s going to lose in the biggest popular vote landslide in modern presidential history. It’s not crazy to even think he will finish with less than 35 percent of the popular vote.”

And then you had astrologers pushing that around.  This was just a week or two ago.  And the fact of the matter is that we do have enough raw political data coming in statistically on how Trump has been doing.  I’m not just talking about national polls; I’m talking at the local level in all the key battleground states.  And not just the key battleground states, in the key battleground counties of those battleground states.  And to the surprise of many, especially in Washington, and to the shock of the astrologers, he is hasn’t been doing badly at all.  In fact, he is doing pretty well because the polls are showing he is now slightly ahead in the battleground states of Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Colorado, and he’s tied with Hillary as of today in Nevada.  He was slightly ahead a week ago; he’s now tied but he’s holding his own.  And he just left Nevada on a two-day tour there.

Keep in mind, Trump should be getting killed in these states, and Hillary should be — at this point with the money, the ads, the backing of the oligarchy backing, CNN (the “Clinton News Network”) and the entire legacy mainstream media  — she should be 50 points ahead of him at this point!

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You know, even recent polls have shown Trump now pulling ahead.  He’s basically tied and pulling ahead in Pennsylvania.  He’s even with her in New Hampshire.  He’s tied with her in Virginia.  He pulled slightly ahead in Colorado.  But Pennsylvania is a state that Hillary Clinton needs to win.  In all the key battleground counties that have the most accurate trend prediction rate all show Trump ahead by 8-12 points, not one point.

So, it just doesn’t make sense [that Hillary is winning].  I mean, you’re talking about Michigan here. Trump is one point behind in Michigan, tied in Wisconsin.  He’s only four points behind in New Mexico.

I mean, look, folks, it is clear that the astrological community, the pundits, the media have overestimated Hillary’s campaign and tremendously marginalized and underestimated Trump’s campaign thus far.  And nobody has really been talking about this.

Mark:  I agree.  I figured she would be way ahead at this point and I have something that I’ve talked about a couple of the other shows that you’ve been on and a couple other shows I’ve been on.  There’s just been this tendency to write off — and first of all, I’m going to say I have no intention of voting for Trump, I am not a Trump supporter, I tend to vote third party, every election since I’ve been alive I think I’ve voted third party — but it’s just this rush to judgement to write off all of his followers as white trash, racist, trailer park dwellers.  And perhaps there is, there may be a percentage, as politically incorrect as that is, there may be a percentage that maybe fit that category.

But what I keep telling my Democrat friends is that what you are not seeing is you have to put yourself in the shoes of people who have been Republicans for a long time.  You have to take a look at Romney, who took a dive at the end.  They threw in McCain in ’08, that flip-flopped so many times that you couldn’t trust him.  In ’04 that was Bush Jr.’s second term, and he barely won but by half that second term most of the Republicans, old school or not, were not very happy with him.  Bush Jr. won in 2000, Dole in ’96 — I don’t think anybody feels that Dole was a strong candidate.  Then we had Bush Sr. who won in ’88 and got beaten fairly badly in ’92.

So, for the people who are Republicans, I don’t think that they feel — and I’ve said this 50 times and I know everyone has ignored it the first 50 times but I’m going to be that idiot who says it a 51st time — I don’t think the old school, the average middle-class Republican voter feels that they have gotten a fair shake or had a decent candidate in the last seven elections, since, I’ll go back to say since Reagan was the last candidate that was really well liked by the Republican party.  I think Bush the first time it was kind of a “oh, well, he’s [Bush] Sr.’s son” and all that stuff, and there’s this, I think, a large group of Trump supporters are these people who have said “I have had enough of getting screwed” — not by the Democrats, they’re not pissed off at the Democrats.  They’re pissed off at their own party for putting up crap candidates every four years, and the decent candidates that they do have early on in the primaries, they push them to the side when they have a Ron Paul or somebody who is a good candidate, they just put them to the side at the debates, ask them two questions in a three-hour debate, all this stuff.  And I think a portion of Trump’s supporters are the people who have finally said, “I’ve had it. You’ve screwed me for seven or eight elections in a row, and we’re going to sink the Titanic so that hopefully we can rebuild it” because the Republican party leaders were not at all in any shape or form listening to their constituents.  And I’m sure no one heard that.  But I said it again anyways.

William: (laughs) Well, here’s the thing.  Let’s get into the particulars.  Mark, I sent you a link where I posted the charts for this show.  [Charts posted below] And for those of you who are not in front of the internet just to let you know, it’s WilliamStickevers.com/marktherabbithole and it has all the graphs I want to discuss.

My approach, my argument on how I see the election going down, I’m looking at all three different [birth] times for Hillary using my Blackbox forecasting technology that’s very accurate.  We use it quite often in making financial trading decisions and investing.  It’s one of the great technologies that Alphee Lavoie needs to get more credit for.

I also just want to mention this before, I have to say this.  Trump is not a Republican.  I mean, he’s running on the platform of the Republican party but everybody knows he is not a Republican.  He is basically a Trumpzilla, Uranus-Pluto dark horse candidate, an aberration of the collective unconscious of the nation that is now in a neurotic breakdown that has captured or heisted the nomination from the GOP establishment (that is basically backed by the Bush faction of the American oligarchical elite) who is basically have a platform and foreign policy that goes actually counter to a majority of GOP narratives that were established for the past 60 years.

So I just want to state again, I’m neutral on this all.  I am nonpartisan.  I am not for either party.  But Trump is GOP in title only.

Mark: Right, right.  So I just posted that link to William’s website to the page that has these charts and graphs he’s talking about.  I just posted it in the chat room and on my Facebook page and I’ll post it on the Rabbit Hole Facebook page as well so you don’t have to go digging for them you can just click on that link.

So, go right ahead, William.

William:  Yeah, so basically, everyone is like “I don’t get it. Why does Trump have all this, what is the demand there?  What is all this popularity?  Why do they listen to him?”  And I keep basically stating this — that we never had an economic recovery.  That was basically, the economic crisis, the Lehman meltdown that resulted in the near-collapse of the American and global economy but that was vanguard by the fraudulence that was going on Wall Street and the Fed backed by Washington, with Washington’s blessings, almost destroyed the financial world.

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They basically paved it over and they covered it up.  They put the damage control into place and they kept the game of “extend and pretend” going.  Then they got the media who is part of the oligarchical mouthpiece to pontificate and convince, especially the astrologers out there, that a recovery occurred starting June 2009 and had been achieved by [Spring] 2016.  However, when we look at macroeconomic data, especially global trade worldwide, we see on this graph here [shown above] that we’ve are seeing a complete collapse. The source for the graph is from the World Bank, Goldman Sachs, Global Investment Research.  These are the very people that backed the Bushes, and Hillary, by the way.

So what we’ve seen is a four-year rolling sensitivity of real trade growth collapsing in real GDP terms.  And we see here the U.S. recession where there was a downturn, a trough, in 1960-61.  The oil shock in ’79.  And then we see when the Soviet Union disintegrates in ’91, you see the global economy really taking off and everything peaking by the late ’90s, early 2000.  And then we see a series of downward motion of the wave pattern.  Then we see China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, 2001.  And then we have a collapse that occurred in 2008, and then we see all this money printing and injection of liquidity into the system, with interest rates pushed down to almost zero percent worldwide.  In fact, now they’re negative worldwide with the exception of this country, and the Federal Reserve is talking about even going negative next year!  What you are seeing here is the Obama Recovery in 2016, at a point lower than at any time since 1947 when they started tracking Global Trade.

So [in essence] we are seeing a complete collapse in the global economy.  And there was no recovery — there was a cover-up.

Now I could show 40, 50 graphs to prove this out further. Mark, [in previous shows] you’ve seen me go at it one graph after the other. We have 25 percent underemployment in this country.  We have 47 percent of the people who get subsidized by the U.S. government who don’t pay federal taxes.  We have 96.7 million people who no longer get unemployment who fell off the workforce radar; they’ve given up looking for work.  And we only have 155 million people working out of a population of 327 million — or 320 million, depending on what source you use.  And of that 155 million working, 25 percent is underemployed, meaning they have to work two or three jobs and they still cannot pay the mortgage, and they’re barely paying the rent.

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And inflation, by the way, they keep saying it’s 1-2 percent.  When you look at the real numbers, the way the Federal Reserve was calculating inflation up until 1990, inflation is about 7-8 percent a year.  And it was actually 11 percent between 2008 and 2012.

Salaries haven’t been raised since 1991.  The United States economy has decreased in size three-fold since 199, a three-fold breakdown!  The deleveraging of the middle class since 2008 has been tremendous.  It hasn’t recovered.

And you have 40 percent of Millennials living at home, and the ones who are not living at home are all shacked up with five other people in a two-bedroom.

So, you know, things are not going well. For anyone who’s still a naysayer [that the economy hasn’t recovered], I can inundate you with 27 statistics that will blow your mind.

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But here’s the point — all of this is driving the Trump campaign.  The country is in a demoralized state, and in a state of neurotic breakdown because there was no direction, no future.  The moment when people freak out on a personal or mass level is when they know it’s not going to get better.  It’s not when things are bad.  The moment they know it’s not going to get better when THEY LOSE IT, and that’s when you see what’s happening now.  That’s when you see Hitler come to power.  That’s when you see the British Exit.  That’s when you see the rise of Donald Trump, Trumpzilla.  That’s all because it’s being generated by a collapsing economy that is accelerating and intensifying as the train wreck unfolds.

I think it’s really really clear at this point.  And there’s no magic [to fix it]. It’s all in the secular data.  And that is something that 90 percent of the astrologers keep continuing to overlook, as they keep focused at the natal horoscopes and not realizing what else is there – they don’t look at the secular data.

If you don’t correlate what the outer planetary alignments and the ingresses and the eclipse charts and the charts of the top G-11 or G-8 nations, with the secular trends you’re not going to understand what is driving the populism since 2011, since we had the Arab Spring.  And look at all the protests that were occurring in Europe.

And look at the protests on Wall Street, what was it called?  We would talk about this a few years back.

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Mark:  The Occupy Movement.

William:  Right – the Occupy Wall Street Movement, where what came out of the was the One Percent and the 99 Percent.  So everyone knows today, “Yeah, I’m the 99 percent.”  And who’s the One Percent?  Well, that’s a mystery; you can’t talk about that.  We know how many people are the One Percent, but we don’t know who they are.  And that’s the oligarchy.  And the people that run the oligarchy are the 0.1 percent of the One Percent.

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Then [in 2013] you have the NSA revelations of Edward Snowden that came out that have turned the geopolitical world inside-out, upside-down.  And there’s more revelations every day.  And then you have Wikileaks, along with all the uprisings and shootings [in the country]. It goes on and on.  The unemployment continues to accelerate while they continue to state that unemployment is now at four percent.  That is why you have a Donald Trump [as the GOP nominee ] today, folks.

So, astrologers, get with the reality!  You just don’t seem to get it!  I’m not the only guy.  Mark’s been telling you, I’ve been telling you, Theodore White’s been telling you  There’s been a lot of astrologers telling you, and you’re just simply refusing to get it.  So that’s step one.  I want to get to the next thing.

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Look at what’s going on right now.  The S&P 500 return of the presidential elections.  So when the S&P 500 price between July 31 and October 31 is net negative, that is a very reliable indicator that the party in power, seeking re-election, will lose or they’ll be completely replaced.  And as of today, it is net negative.  Back in 2012, it was a very close race between Obama and Romney.  But the S&P returns were 2.4 percent in the black.  Now it is something like 3.2 percent in the red.  And so the prediction probability that the party in power will be completely replaced — because this is not a re-election, this is a referendum election on the Obama Administration’s past two terms so it’s a replacement election — is 86 percent right now.  And we’re not even talking about astrology yet. Eighty-six percent!  There’s a structural problem right now from an economic level, from a financial level as well.  So when the astrologers say ‘Hillary wins no matter what and they get to say that and pontificate that because they write for the Huffington Post’ — and you know who I’m talking about here — they continue to misinform the public and the astrological community [about the true state of affairs in the country].

Mark:  I totally agree.  Totally agree.  I’ve seen just in my personal circle, you know, extended family and stuff, I’ve seen the employment and wage-earning been way down.  And I want to point out that I don’t think this is an Obama trick or something.  I mean, every president who’s been in power during difficult financial times has, you know, we can spin numbers to make things look not as bad, so they all do this, but there’s definitely a lot of spinning going on right now.

William:  Absolutely.  I think what’s really been pontificated by the mainstream media is this: Keep calm and pretend everything is okay.  I’m going to repeat that.  Keep calm and pretend everything is okay.  And I think that fits perfectly with the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune T-Square that was in play all throughout the summer —

Mark:  Yep.

William:  Nothing was okay.  Everyone knows something is really wrong.  They may point to it’s this or it’s that.  We may not all agree on what’s wrong but we all know something is systemically wrong.  And yet we have a media that says “Keep calm and pretend everything is okay.”  We have people in leadership in astrology who say “Keep calm, relax, Trump ain’t gonna win, he’s not going to get it, this is all just a kabuki dance going on, and you’ll realize sooner or later that everything is okay. So calm down and listen to this voice of reason.”

Mark:  (laughs)

William:  Okay, there’re some New York astrologers out there who are saying this.

Mark:  Right.

William:  And when you live on a trust fund and then you get to speak how it’s all going to turn out from your NCGR podium in New York City, you can say stuff like that.  But you can’t say stuff like that to people who are really suffering.  And then I want to get to the next thing here.

Now, I’m just getting really sick and tired of this Hillary Clinton birth time thing.  So I just said, okay.  I’ve held back, Mark. I could have published this earlier but I waited for your show.

Mark:  (laughs)  Okay, great.

William:  This Blackbox graphical analysis takes all the transits active during a period of time, and  takes over 720 factors that are related to career. Including every solar arc, every progression and every backward transit.  It [essentially] takes every astrological factor and then runs it against a weighing system that modifies and changes according to the [planetary weight] that compose the horoscope and then it curves and fits it and then it makes a projection over time.  And what I did here is I took the three times that are listed that most astrologers are basing their predictions on — the 2:18am birth time, the 8:02am birth time, and the 8:00pm birth time.

Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 2:18 am CST birth time.
Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 2:18 am CST birth time.

Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 2:18 am CST birth time.
Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:02 am CST birth time.
Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:02 am CST birth time.

Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:02 am CST birth time.

Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:00 pm CST birth time.
Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:00 pm CST birth time.

Hillary Clinton Horoscope: 8:00 pm CST birth time.

And I’m going to tell you something right now.  All three are indicating that Hillary is losing support as we go further into the election.  Basically what I can say that is consistent about all of these graphs is that she peaks sometime around, between October 1st and October 10th, and then it’s a downward slide.  And for the astrologers who are rooting for their time [of choice], her 2:18am time looks more of like a landslide loss.  If she was born at 8:00 pm, which Bill Meridian has been using to a fair degree of success, it’s a loss but it’s not quite the loss that is indicated.  You could argue that it could be a very close election, that it could go either way.  And the 8:02 am time — and I know some people use 8:06am — certainly indicates a decisive defeat for Hillary Clinton.  All three.  The only one that really supports, that it might be a close election, is the 8:00 pm time, but it does not augur a decisive victory as astrologers continue to pontificate.

Donald Trump's Career Blackbox Forecast
Donald Trump’s Career Blackbox Forecast

Here  we see Donald Trump’s Career Blackbox Forecast.  And that’s taking the same factors, using the same technology, using the same timeline.  We see Trump going enormous volatile swings from July all the way ’til it hits bottom on the 10th of September, and then he starts climbing up.  It’s a slow climb and then it really starts picking up speed from October 20th all the way to Election Day.  So we’re seeing a lot of volatility, up and down, up and down, which is Trump’s number, Trump’s campaign has gone through extremes of restructuring and shifting people around, with him going back and forth on policy positions.  And then he gets on message, as he has recently, starting around September 10th, and that accelerated his campaign.  You can see he’s now reading from a teleprompter, he still goes off and says what he wants but he’s much better behaved.  He’s a much better behaved Trumpzilla.

Continued in Part 2…

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UPCOMING WEBINAR BY WILLIAM STICKEVERS:

Webinar Hosted by NCGR San Francisco: “Political Contest Astrology: 2016 General Election by William Stickevers”

If you’re interested in learning more about the political contest horary technique I used to predict the 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Elections with 87% accuracy, I hope you’ll join me on this webinar hosted by the San Francisco Chapter of National Council for Geocosmic Research (NCGR). All registrants will get a recording of the presentation.  Details below.

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There are many methods in astrology to predict the outcomes of political elections, however, the track record of accuracy using many of those methods is often no better than tossing a coin.

William’s approach-based traditional horary technique has over an 80% accurate track record since 2007. In this webinar we will take astrological divination to a new level in predicting political contests through a step-by-step approach to determining the proper odds, polls, and rules to delineate a contest horary chart.

We will review some “too-close to call” elections and then speculate on the 2016 Presidential Election using this method.

***ABOUT OUR SPEAKER***
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He’s lectured for the National Council for Geocosmic Research (NYC, Long Island, New Jersey, and San Francisco chapters), American Federation of Astrologers (Los Angeles), the Astrological Society of Connecticut, and in Germany (Munich), Romania (Bucharest), and Japan (Tokyo, Osaka, Yokohama). Most recently William was invited by Kepler College to be part of a webinar panel of 5 select astrologers to discuss the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election and all other geopolitical and societal factors leading up to it. For more information visit his website at http://williamstickevers.com/.

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[Webinar] Global Outlook 2017 based on the Planetary Cyclic Index and Leading Mundane Astrology Indicators

With all the highly improbable, implausible, unprecedented “how could that have happened” events that have transpired thus far on the world stage in 2016, you can be assured that 2017 will be no different — actually, there will be even more topsy-turvy geopolitical events as the great unraveling continues to accelerate and intensify.

If you think 2017 is going to be the same but only slightly worse, think again!

I invite you to join me for my upcoming webinar, Global Outlook 2017 based on the Planetary Cyclic Index and Leading Mundane Astrology Indicators to get a first look at what is in store for next year for the U.S., the top power countries, and on the world stage.  The webinar will take place live on two dates (December 31 and January 1) and there will be a video recording option for those who wish to watch the presentation but cannot attend one of the live events.

Live Webinar: Global Outlook 2017 based on the Planetary Cyclic Index and Leading Mundane Astrology Indicators
In the webinar, I will cover:

  • First Term of the Next U.S. President
  • What is the Planetary Cyclic Index
  • Assessment of the Global Ambient
  • Horoscope of the Next U.S. Administration
  • Significant Eclipses 2017-2020
  • Ingress Charts – most significant ingress charts for China, US, Europe, Russia
  • Outer Planetary Alignments to the Geodetic World Map
  • Astro*Carto*Graphy Charts and Geodetic Maps for Significant Mundane Events
  • Review the Impact to Financial 1st Trade Index Horoscopes
  • Blackbox Forecast for Top 10 Major Power Countries
  • Trouble Zones – 5 Biggest Time Bombs that the World Will Have to Deal With

It is imperative to be aware of what is taking place in the world, for these events will impact you, your nation’s economy, your finances, your community, and the decisions you may need to make since the economic sands can shift dramatically with a single decision by the government or major financial institution as we saw in 2008.

Registration is now open. Be sure to register early, as space is limited.  Early Bird registration ends November 1st (but all registrants can receive the free gift offer).

While my research is based in astrology, knowledge of astrology is not required to benefit from this presentation. Invite your astrologer and non-astrologer friends alike.

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Be aware of what is around the corner so you can make informed choices to help yourself, your family, and others.  I hope you’ll join me.

Hillary’s Debate Performance Was Not Good Enough to Stop Her Slide in the Polls

Unlike many astrologers out there, I track the incoming raw polling data from all the Key Battleground States (sorry, but New York and California are on among them). Since late August Hillary’s poll numbers have plummeted around 9-10 points with Trump reaching parity with her by September 16th, indicating her campaign has lost its footing and momentum and needed a jolt from this debate.

Hillary, the favorite to win the General Election, had all the pressure on her and needed a big, defining moment last night to game-change her campaign, and didn’t get it. As of today, she now trails Trump in key battleground states won by President Obama in 2012, and the national polling is tied. Even though the mainstream media has scored a win for Hillary, keep in mind that Trump is the outsider in a year when two-thirds (69%) of the American people think the nation is on the wrong track.

Trump fared better than Hillary in most every online poll across the web. Out of more than 30 websites, Hillary only won in the NBC News, WCVB (Boston), and the CNN/ORC polls.

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Hillary Clinton’s Career Blackbox, August 1 – November 9, 2016

The bottom line is Hillary’s campaign is rapidly losing altitude, a fact that her supporters are aware of, and even the press can no longer deny. The trend lines are not in her favor, and she doesn’t have the luxury of a good economy to run on, nor the astrological transits to her natal horoscope for that matter. If Hillary’s performance is not good enough to stop Trump’s momentum in the coming days ahead, something needs to change, and change fast.

Prediction: Trump’s momentum will continue to accelerate and intensify, with his poll numbers in the Key Battle Ground States of Pennsylvania and Virginia superseding Hillary’s in the coming weeks ahead.



FOR THE RECORD…

• I am more committed to the truth and outcome of political contest than my own political expectations or preferences.
• I call it as I see it, not as I want it.
• I have been a registered Independent since 1984.
• I am a political atheist; I don’t believe in political parties.



Read more:
Hillary Clinton and the Annular Solar Eclipse – September 1, 2016
Transiting Neptune will be directly opposing the Hillary’s Uranus/Ascendant midpoint and opposing her progressed Mars, indicating that we can expect sudden undermining revelations and developments as a result of former associations with foreign countries, along with a modest but significant loss of political momentum that set up the prospect of a major shakeup in her Presidential campaign team and strategy as the General Election begins to ramps up.
Political Contest Horary AstroProbability and the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election
Tracking probabilities for the winner of the seven battleground states in the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election from Nate Silver’s Five Thirty Eight, PredictIt.com, Axiom Strategies, and Political Contest Horary AstroProbabiliy generated by a team of political contest horary astrologers led by mundane astrologer William Stickevers.

Trump’s Critics Need to Wake Up to the Reality of 2016

Keep in mind that when Donald Trump announced he would run for President, almost every political pundit and most every astrologer out there for that matter, stated he would politically implode and fade away by the time of the Iowa Caucus.

Republican presidential candidates arrive on stage for the Republican presidential debate on August 6, 2015 at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. From left are: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; real estate magnate Donald Trump; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee; Texas Sen. Ted Cruz; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul; and Ohio Gov. John Kasich. AFP PHOTO / MANDEL NGAN (Photo credit should read MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images)
Republican presidential candidates arrive on stage for the Republican presidential debate on August 6, 2015 at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. Photo: MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

Then when Trump started piling up the victories in the primaries, the same pundits and astrologers stated he would never get the GOP nomination. Then when Trump won the GOP nomination many of his critics warned that if he ended up on the November ballot he would get blown out by Hillary Clinton and take out scores of Republicans running for the House and Senate with him. In fact just the other day, the great political forecaster Damon Linker a senior correspondent at TheWeek.com (that several mundane forecasting astrologers have loosely quoted from) said,

“Trump isn’t merely going to lose. He’s going to lose in the biggest popular vote landslide in modern presidential history. … It’s not crazy to think he’ll finish with less than 35 percent of the popular vote.”

The fact of the matter is that we now have enough raw polling data that statistically shows how Trump is doing right now – and, to the surprise of many inside the D.C. Beltway, he’s doing shockingly better then they ever thought possible. In fact he is not doing that bad at all.

Since the recent Jupiter in Libra Ingress on September 9th, polls show Trump pulling ahead in the battleground states of Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Colorado and Nevada. Former GOP nominees John McCain and Mitt Romney lost all of these states in 2008 and 2012, with the exception of North Carolina in 2012.

If his numbers hold, Trump is only a state or two away from cobbling together the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House; and there’s fertile ground for more Trump pickups all over the map with New Hampshire, and Virginia .

Map of the AstroProbability Projections for the 2016 Presidential Election - Astrology and Politics
Map of the AstroProbability Projections for the 2016 Presidential Election as of Septeber 19, 2016. More at ASTROLOGY AND POLITICS: 2016 U.S. PRESIDENTIAL GENERAL ELECTION PREDICTIONS

In many purple states where Hillary Clinton is leading, Trump is running way ahead of where Romney was in 2012: in Maine, Trump is besting Romney’s numbers by seven points; in Michigan, it’s four points; in New Mexico and Wisconsin, it’s two points; and in Pennsylvania, it’s one point.

So, if you are going just by the numbers, there’s no question that Trump is a much stronger general election candidate than was Romney, and Clinton is a much weaker candidate then Obama.

Donald Trump's Career Blackbox, August 1 - November 9, 2016 | William Stickevers, Astrologer | Astrology and Politics
Donald Trump’s Career Blackbox, August 1 – November 9, 2016

The 1st Presidential debate at Hempstead, New York, is being held one day after a Washington Post-ABC News poll revealed that Clinton’s slim advantage over Trump from last month has completely evaporated. At any rate my message to the mainstream media pundits and the “Hillary wins no matter what” astrologers who continue to forecast a decisive Clinton victory,  is given these polling numbers, Trump’s unprecedented candidacy is not indicative of a forthcoming GOP ticket disaster. In fact, the only disaster that we’ve seen so far is the catastrophic collapse of all of the political pundits’ predictions, including most of the astrologers.

Trumpzilla | William Stickevers, Astrologer | Astrology and Politics
Trumpzilla


FOR THE RECORD…

• I am more committed to the truth and outcome of political contest than my own political expectations or preferences.
• I call it as I see it, not as I want it.
• I have been a registered Independent since 1984.
• I am a political atheist; I don’t believe in political parties.



Read more at
Political Contest Horary AstroProbability and the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election
Tracking probabilities for the winner of the seven battleground states in the 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election from Nate Silver’s Five Thirty Eight, PredictIt.com, Axiom Strategies, and Political Contest Horary AstroProbabiliy generated by a team of political contest horary astrologers led by mundane astrologer William Stickevers.

 

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